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Washing Soda vs. Soda Ash
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November 18, 2008
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Mozie
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I believe washing soda is also called soda ash. Can I buy the kind of soda ash that is used to control the ph in a swimming pool? I can't seem to find any other kind. Thanks

November 18, 2008
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I found some information on the difference betwee washing soda and soda ash on a website:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?action=printpage;topic=20783.0

The discussion was primarily directed toward people using soda ash in dyeing cloth, but I suppose the information on the difference between the two - washing soda and soda ash - would apply to laundry soap making, too. 

            “Soda ash is the active ingredient in washing soda. The chemical name for it is sodium carbonate, chemical formula Na2CO3. It is more basic, that is, less acidic, than sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), whose chemical formula is NaHCO3. The purpose of sodium carbonate is simply to increase pH.

Hydration

Some forms of soda ash (e.g. that labeled as 'washing soda') contain more water molecules than others, which makes them weigh more and be larger for a given number of sodium carbonate molecules - this means that you need to measure out a larger quantity of the hydrated form in order to get the same results. If you buy sodium carbonate without the extra water molecules, then store it for several years in humid conditions, it will absorb some water and appear to lose strength, when in fact it has merely 'bulked up' and needs to be used in larger volumes.

(My own emphasis added:

The type of sodium carbonate used in washing soda is a decahydrate, so you need to use a lot more washing soda than you would anhydrous soda ash, perhaps three times as much - assuming that you are able to find pure unadulterated washing soda that is suitable for use in dyeing. (In theory, we should use 2.7 times as much washing soda as a substitute for soda ash, if measuring by weight, or 4.6 times as much if measuring by volume.)

Where can you buy soda ash?
Although you can buy washing soda in the grocery store, this is usually advised against, because some US brands in the past were known to contain optical brighteners, salt, and/or fragrances. However, Arm & Hammer brand “Super Washing Soda” does not now contain any additives, though you must use a larger quantrity due to its greater hydration level (see above).

A better source is a swimming pool supplies store, or a hardware store that carries some pool supplies, which will carry pure sodium carbonate (a popular brand is pH Up), sold for the purpose of increasing the pH of pool water.

This is typically cheaper than mail-ordering from a dye supplier, and just as good. Beware of suppliers that try to sell you sodium bicarbonate instead of sodium carbonate; bicarbonate is much less basic (it has a lower pH), and will not work for most dyeing recipes.”

From this information it seems that soda ash (found in a pool supply store) has the same chemical properties as a super concentrated washing soda. It sounds like you could use soda ash in place of washing soda in a laundry detergent recipe, but use much less (at least 1/5 the amount) of washing soda.

I'm no expert. I have no idea if this information is accurate, or safe, but I found the same basic discussion on washing soda versus soda ash on more than one website. The site I referenced above seemed to have the most usable information.

February 26, 2011
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Thanks so much for this information! I have all the ingredients I need to make laundry soap and I bought the soda ash from a pool supply company. I could not find wasing soda anywhere. No one in this area carries it anymore.

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April 3, 2011
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Sheryl, I couldn't find the washing soda either....had my local Ace Hardware store order it for me.  It wasn't a regular shelf item, but they have it in the warehouse.

Half of better of the people I asked didn't have the slightest idea what I was talking about! no

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April 3, 2011
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I find the washing soda at WalMart in the laundry aisle.

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April 3, 2011
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You can call the company and they will tell you where in your area to find it.  However, the store they sent me to didn't have it.  But it's a toll free number, so its worth a try.

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May 13, 2011
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For those having trouble finding it, you can easily convert sodium bicarbonate (regular baking soda) to sodium carbonate (washing soda) by spreading it out on a cookie sheet and heating it at 350 degrees for an hour or so.  The heat will break it down, releasing harmless CO2 and H2O and leave you with the washing soda you need for your homemade laundry detergent. 

Be careful pouring the washing soda back into it's box.  It has a very alkaline pH of 11, so you don't want to breathe it in.

You know, I've been having a hard time finding the Fels Naphtha lately too.  Seems like none of the hardware stores around here have it anymore.  The only place that did went out of business!  :P  Now that I don't know how to make...guess I'll have to go with Ivory or something.

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May 13, 2011
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I did not know that about washing soda…..

I did find this when doing some more searching on it >>store the washing soda in a clearly labeled airtight container. The washing soda can "convert" back into baking soda if it's exposed to air.

 

You know, I've been having a hard time finding the Fels Naphtha lately too.  Seems like none of the hardware stores around here have it anymore.  The only place that did went out of business!  :P  Now thatI don't know how to make…guess I'll have to go with Ivory or something.

Or make your own soap!!!  wink

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May 13, 2011
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That's definitely on my to-do list, thanks to Suzanne making it look so easy!  happy-flower  I've been working on getting together all my supplies.

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May 13, 2011
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I made my own laundry bar, with no scent, not because anyone here is allergic just because I am cheap! But I love it, my clothes are clean smelling, then my hubby uses dryer sheets in the morning to un-wrinkle any clothes, so if you still like the scent you can still have it with that.

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May 13, 2011
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I like Zote soap better than Fels. It also seems a little easier to find - Big Lots stores usually have it for 70 cents a bar. I use Zote and Ivory together. Zote has optical brighteners, which is an ingredient found in commercial detergents that makes the colors look brighter and whites whiter (I can thank David/tractor57 for that info!) yes

 

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December 27, 2011
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I bought soda ash at a pool supply place. It works well but you need a lot less. I found some recipes for laundry detergent using it on the 'net and they all said to use about 1/4 as much, so that is what I did. It seems to work just fine. I never did find washing soda anywhere.

On, and I used my own homemade soap without any extra fats in it. Works great! and has saved me a bundle!

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July 22, 2012
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To make the brights brighter and the whites whiter I use Mrs. Stewart's Bluing.  It's what our grandmothers used.  A bottle lasts for a few years.  It only takes a drop.  I make the powdered detergent.  When I put it into the detergent cup in my washer, I add one drop of bluing.  It's safe for your septic tanks as well.

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February 20, 2017
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yes,it's work.

my all cloths are clean and white.

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