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8:55 pm July 20, 2009
| IowaDeb
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Salsa(Canning)
7-cups prepared tomatoes (7-8 medium or 4 ½-lbs) 8-jalapenos finely chopped (remove seeds for mild salsa) 2-cups coarsely chopped onions 1-cup coarsely chopped green bell pepper 3-cloves garlic, minced(May use jarred,It's easier) 1-5oz can tomato paste (up to 2 cans depending on desired thickness) ¾-cup white vinegar ½-cup loosely packed fresh chopped cilantro 1-tsp cumin 1-tbsp pickling salt 1-tsp cayenne (optional) 1/8 to 1/4-cup lime juice to taste after it’s cooked
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Remove the seeds and finely chop the jalapenos If using fresh tomatoes, blanch, peel and coarsely chop (measure to 7-cups) Combine all ingredients except lime juice in a large stainless steel saucepan Bring to a boil and boil gently about 30 minutes until desired consistency Add limejuice to taste Ladle hot salsa in clean and sterilized canning jars leaving ½” headspace Remove air bubbles with non-metallic spatula and wipe jar rim Top with hot lid and rings, finger tight Process in boiling water canner for 20 minutes
Yields 5 pints
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10:32 pm July 20, 2009
| Pete
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Never tried making salsa, so have a couple of dumb questions. What do you do to prepare the tomatoes? (I don't mind tomato skins in things so tend to not peel them even in recipes that call for it. More food value, and a whole lot easier!) Can you substitute kosher salt for pickling salt?
This looks like a great base recipe! We have quite a few different peppers and chiles this year, so might tinker around with the kinds of chiles in the salsa.
And we have mostly yellow tomatoes. Wonder how some yellow tomatoes, hot Hungarian peppers, the mild Cubanos, with some yellow bells. Hmmmmm. Yellow salsa! Maybe a few serranos…
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9:41 am July 21, 2009
| JeannieB
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I canned some several years ago, just made up a recipie as I went, but I would suggest peeling tomatoes. After cooking tomatoes, the skins would seperate and sort of curl up. I don't know the difference between kosher and pickling salt, I have always used kosher or sea salt when canning.
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10:09 am July 21, 2009
| IowaDeb
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Pete, I just slice a x in the top of the tomato and drop a few at a time into a pan of boiling water for about 30 seconds. The skin just slips off. You really don't have to peel them for salsa( I never peel for fresh salsa), although I would chop them up finer. The skins tend to slip off and curl up like little twigs and doesn't look to pretty .Sometimes you get that picky eater who says eww….and swears they ate something that didn't belong in there If your tomatoes are thick skinned like paste tomatoes ( Plum,Roma) , skins will be chewy.Salsa will be thicker if you use paste tomatoes and you can eliminate the tomato paste in recipe.You can sub kosher salt.
Don't ask me why Never use fresh lime juice
Always sub peppers in equal amounts or freeze salsa.
If salsa seems acidity on tasting you can add a tsp or 2 of sugar.
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10:49 am July 21, 2009
| chickypez
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Why don't you use fresh lime juice? I don't peel my tomatoes for salsa either, but I put it through the food processor, so it's all ground up anyway.
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10:51 am July 21, 2009
| chickypez
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Hahaha Ok, I just realized you said not to ask why! You can let that remain a mystery if you'd like!
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12:52 pm July 21, 2009
| Pete
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Thanks much for the tips!
Years ago, when a voluntary tomato came up in the yard and ended up producing inordinate amounts of tomatoes, I decided to make tomato sauce, and canned it. Without any input, I just ground the tomatoes in the blender, put them into quart jars then did the hot water bath. They worked fine, but did separate. Had to go ask someone if that meant they were spoiled!
Ahh, the spaghetti sauce that came later from that "sauce!" But, that was when I decided there was no reason to peel the tomatoes. And no one could come up with a reason to loose all that nutrition. Yes there were tiny bits of tomato skin in the sauce, but not enough to notice, or make getting rid of it worth the effort.
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1:16 pm July 21, 2009
| IowaDeb
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chickypez said:
Hahaha Ok, I just realized you said not to ask why! You can let that remain a mystery if you'd like!
There is so much debate on food safety that one reason when canning is acidity, the lime juice is being used like vinegar. Therefore the bottled is standerized and stable and all lemons and limes vary in acidity…or say those safety experts
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2:19 pm July 21, 2009
| chickypez
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Interesting. I do use fresh lime juice in my salsa. I had seen so many recipes for canning salsa that called for vinegar instead of lime juice, though, that I actually added vinegar yesterday in addition to lime juice just in case. Haha I didn't want to kill us with my first canning adventure!
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5:06 pm July 21, 2009
| Pete
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If you are canning a tomato based salsa, shouldn't the tomato alone provide more than enough acid to make it safe?
Personally, I'd never use the bottled kind of lemon or lime "juice" that has additives in the bottle. They just don't taste good! Now the frozen kind – that's a completely different story. There is supposed to be nothing in there but juice, except I don't always trust producers who say that. Some of them sneak preservatives into the packaging – like in cereals, for instance. If they are still doing that…
All of which is to say that I can't imagine there being a significant difference between the acidity levels of lime "A" and lime "B" to matter to the outcome of a salsa. Then again, I am just getting reacquainted with canning, having not been around it in many decades, long before the techniques and science behind it developed into what is known today.
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5:32 pm July 21, 2009
| Suzanne McMinn
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I have heard/read the same thing as IowaDeb re food safety experts recommending using the bottled lemon juice because the acidity level is standardized vs the slight randomness of fresh. Probably, safety experts err on the side of caution. That's their job, I guess.
I'm relatively new to canning so I tend to follow directions and safety advice. I say often about making homemade bread–go ahead and mess around with it, do what you want, experiment, nobody's gonna die. Canning is different. Somebody can die from botulism, so I go more in the stickler direction with that! (Especially since I am not an uber experienced canner.)
That said, I have used fresh lemon juice in canning a time or two and nobody died. (Yet.) 
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8:19 pm July 21, 2009
| wvhomecanner
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There are some things that the USDA/NCHFP says to not do or not can that they just haven't done research on. With some of those things I push the envelope :)
But for things that have been tested and proven I do listen. Like, I will never can pureed pumpkin. Or water bath low acid veggies like green beans. Well, unless a day comes when it's the only choice there is. That's another thread lol.
Bottled lemon juice is consistent in it's pH, but fresh is not. Adding bottled juice ensures that the product is acidified enough to be safely water bath canned. Vinegar can do that also
There is a tasteless alternative – citric acid. So if you want the taste of, say, fresh lime juice go ahead and use it but add citric acid to be safe.
I get citric acid at the bulk store in Flatwoods.
Also, be careful if anyone is making up their own salsa recipe as they go along only because as mentioned before, you don't want a large proportion of low acid veggies (onions, peppers, etc.) to tomatoes or you lose the acidity even further.
The USDA rule of thumb is 3 cups low acid veggies to 22 cups tomatoes. Additional acids added (i.e. vinegar, other tomato products) will of course help offset a slightly larger amount of low acid veggies.
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8:21 pm July 21, 2009
| wvhomecanner
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Forgot to mention that pressure canning salsa is an alternative to worrying about the acidity.
I'd rather not, but some do.
Dede
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9:03 pm July 21, 2009
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Pete said:
If you are canning a tomato based salsa, shouldn't the tomato alone provide more than enough acid to make it safe?
The thing with the tomatoes is fairly recent. As they develop more and more low acid tomatoes you could end up with less acid than necessary just because the tomatoes aren't like the old ones we used to can. If there is any doubt, I add vinegar. Especially in salsa you wouldn't even taste it once it was canned.
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9:36 pm July 21, 2009
| wvhomecanner
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The thing with the tomatoes is fairly recent. As they develop more and more low acid tomatoes you could end up with less acid than necessary just because the tomatoes aren't like the old ones we used to can. If there is any doubt, I add vinegar. Especially in salsa you wouldn't even taste it once it was canned.
Actually I was surprised to learn that the low acid tomato varieties developed in the '70's are pretty much gone – because they just didn't taste good at all! But the USDA upon doing studies and finding that the pH levels of tomatoes showed they were close to the pH 4.6 breaking point between low acid (pH above 4.6) and high acid (pH below 4.6) led them (USDA) to stipulate adding acid to all tomatoes.
Ripeness has more to do with pH actually. And some tomatoes that folks swear are low acid are really just higher in sugar content and therefore taste less acidic/tart.
So even though there are practically no low acid tomatoes around anymore, I still add acid to my canned tomatoes because they are too important to take a risk with LOL. AND a lot of work puttin em up …….
sorry for the science lesson…….
but it is interesting.
I am still waiting for the powers that be to explain why we can't can tomatoes from frost killed vines…..
especially since green tomatoes are very high acid.
dede
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9:32 am July 22, 2009
| Pete
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Hmmm. Do we have canning police patroling around looking for home canners? 
I'm going to can everything I can find! That's why we bought the pressure canner. Maybe I'm just stubborn (ya think??), but we are going to can anything we want to here!
We did have a problem a couple of year ago with a friend who just could not grasp the concept of water bath vs pressure canning. She made lovely salsas, which I generally threw out because she simply would NOT pressure can anything with tomatoes in it, no matter how low the ratio was of tomatoes to peppers etc. They tasted good, but were just not usually worth the risk, unless I knew that they had been made that day and we simply refrigerated the salsa and used it quickly.
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12:04 pm July 22, 2009
| wvhomecanner
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Pete said:
Hmmm. Do we have canning police patroling around looking for home canners? 
I'm going to can everything I can find! That's why we bought the pressure canner. Maybe I'm just stubborn (ya think??), but we are going to can anything we want to here!
We did have a problem a couple of year ago with a friend who just could not grasp the concept of water bath vs pressure canning. She made lovely salsas, which I generally threw out because she simply would NOT pressure can anything with tomatoes in it, no matter how low the ratio was of tomatoes to peppers etc. They tasted good, but were just not usually worth the risk, unless I knew that they had been made that day and we simply refrigerated the salsa and used it quickly.
LOL I can anything I can get my hands on too and that's why I push the "limits" of USDA UNtested statements. Like, Clearjel – is only approved for pie fillings?? Well, only because that's the only use they have tested it for! And Clearjel doesn't thicken upon heating as does cornstarch, but thickens as it cools, which is why it is perfect for canning…
So why not thicken canned soups with Clearjel? Works great!
I have a coworker who still water bath cans ALL her canning even though she knows it's not recommended and can be a game of russian roulette. She was offended when she brought in pints of homemade pork sausage patties to share and I declined – I knew they had been water bath canned months prior. Others ate some, but not me. I didn't say anything except 'thanks, but I brought my lunch', but she knew – and was still offended…..
Nope, no canning police 
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12:18 pm July 22, 2009
| Suzanne McMinn
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Dede, I would turn down anything like that, too! I don't really like to take canned goods from anyone unless I know them and know how they can. Unless it's something like jam, which is pretty safe with the high sugar content anyway.
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7:56 pm July 22, 2009
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That's why I'm so glad that we aren't allowed to sell home-canned food (except for jams/jellies, etc.) at the farmers' market. One vendor is a really sweet young woman with a little baby boy. She water-bath cans everything. When I talked with her about food safety, and even offered to let her come over and use my pressure canner, she declined because "her husband didn't trust pressure canners." I can't get the picture of that little baby harmed by eating the squash or peas canned in the water bath. Don't get me started…
Can you imagine if vendors could sell just anything, canned however they decided to can it? We could have an epidemic of food poisoning!
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