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September 17, 2011
5:36 pm
langela
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Today we have a problem. We have lived here 7.5 years. We have owned our current dog for 1.5, but always had a dog here. Our dogs have always been allowed to run loose to protect the farm. They do, on occasion, "visit" the farms next door (.25miles) but never stick around and always come home rather quickly. They have never chased cattle, torn out garbage, acted aggressively, chased cats, etc. Just friendly visits on their patrol of our farm. Yesterday, our neighbor came down and asked if our dog was fixed because the stray she was feeding was a female. We assured her he was taken care of and up to date on all shots. She left appeased, sure she would not end up with puppies and happy she wouldn't have to fix her dog (as if ours was the only male in the area). Today we came home to her dog in our yard, playing with ours. She came by later to pick up her stray and all but yelled at our kids to get our dog tied up and keep him off her property. I went, when I heard about this, down to her house and asked what was up. She said, "I don't want my dog running away or down at your house, so you need to tie up your dog. He doesn't need to be down at my house." I made sure the only problem she had was the doggie friendship and not cattle, garbage, etc, assured her I would tie him for two days to try and break the habit as long as she would, too. BUT, and here is where I need honest opinions, I believe a farm dog should be allowed to run because he needs to protect our farm and because I love seeing him do what makes dogs feel happy and useful–sniff, bark, patrol, run, guard, chase etc. If he is not bothering any animals or property, how much should I worry about her anger? I am home ALL the time and know how long he is home. He doesn't stay away from home for more than 1/2 hour at most. We would have no problem with her telling him to go home, chasing him off the property, or even using a pellet gun to sting his backside. I don't think he'd have to be told more than once.

I can only see this from my–my dog isn't hurting anything, your dog is the problem, don't yell at my kids, leave me alone viewpoint.

How wrong am I? I believe she has the right to keep her stray tied up, yell at our dog, chase him off, etc. Am I wrong to tell her (already did) that I will only keep him tied for 2 days and then let him off to run free?

September 17, 2011
6:03 pm
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She has a right to expect your dog not to go visiting her property, period. 

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand your point, and in a perfect world, your neighbors would all be understanding and since your dog doesn't get into mischief, no big deal.  Here my dog goes to the neighbor's door, sits down and gives one bark, the neighbor lets her dog out and they play like crazy!  After a while, she sends mine home and everyone is happy, but unfortunately, your neighbor's made it clear that she's not going to be OK with things the way they are.

One thing I'd be willing to lay money on is, she's going to wind up with puppies if she doesn't get hers fixed but that's neither here nor there in this scenario. Yours is fixed so he cant be the father, but she's still going to be unhappy!

Also, not sure about where you live, but here, a stray on the property is fair game, so if they use a 22 instead of a pellet gun, it could be a very bad thing for your dog.

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September 17, 2011
6:03 pm
Canner Joann
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Wow.  This one is tough.  Reminds me of the old saying about good fences making good neighbors.

Personally, I don't want other people's animals running on my property and have my yard fenced to prevent mine from getting onto theirs.  I know farmland  is different from a yard, though.

I hope you can work it out.  By the way – I'd be concerned about this stray as well.  How do you know that she is healthy, etc.?  I'd be tempted to throw that question back at your neighbor.

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September 17, 2011
9:12 pm
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Well, I wouldn't want my neighbors dog coming to my property every day…. But I would hate to see them have to keep the dog tied. Would your neighbor give you a call the next time your dog visited? Maybe if you went to her house and chewed your dog out and made him go home he would be less likely to go again? It's hard to know what to do when  neighbors accuse your animals of being a nuisance.

September 17, 2011
10:15 pm
langela
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Thanks, ladies for your honesty.

 After cooling down a bit, I decided to go back down tomorrow with one of our bb guns and ask if she would be willing to use it on him if he returns. I also want to explain how we really need him to be loose so he can protect our hens and the rest of the farm.

I thought this was the reason I moved from town to the country–to not have to deal with neighbors. I really could be a hermit and live far away from people and be perfectly happy. yes Of course, I'd still need a computer so I could talk to you guys! hug

Thanks again.

September 17, 2011
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For 14 or 15 years we had a Chesapeake Bay retriever that roamed our 10 acres and visisted around on our neighbor's properties on a regular basis and played and sometimes ran with some of their dogs who also visited our property, then everybody went home to their own yards.  It was okay with most everybody and there were really no problems with that system.  Then we had a new neighbor move in next to us that had dogs that were very aggressive.  They would chase us biting at our tires when we went in or out in a vehicle or on our fourwheeler or biting at our horses heels if we were on our horses.  A well placed hoof now and then kind of cured that.  On more than one occassion they came into our yard and attacked our old dog and once they attacked my brothers little dog in our yard when we were watching her for my brother and had let her out to do her business.  When my son's dogs moved onto our property we installed the invisible fencing and trained them to stay in our yard because one of them could be aggressive with other animals and we did not want them to be a problem.  Lenox definately solved the problem of the neighbors dogs coming into our yard.  They discovered pretty quickly that there was somebody a whole lot more badass in our yard now.  He can be acclimated to other animals (our horses and friend's and family's pets) when we take the time and make it clear that they are supposed to be here.  He loved and respected our old Chessy til the day we had to put her down.  The invisible fencing has been the perfect solution for us.  We always know that our dogs are in our yard.  You have to take the time to do the proper training from the very beginning, but it definately works.  Most of the people in our little country neighborhood keep their dogs contained in one way or another now.  It's a shame it has to be that way, but these days it is the best way to keep the pet peace.

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September 17, 2011
11:39 pm
lizzie
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We have six dogs on our property and all are fenced in.  We started out with an invisible fence it worked just fine until someone bought the property across from us, when they put their fence in they dug up the electric fence and refused to fix it.  Our property is pretty much fenced in now except for the front yard, I have had other dogs come in to the front yard and create trouble, barking! then the neighbors complain! bug-eyed  because the dogs are barking, you just cannot please very person all of the time.  If I were you I would keep my dog on the property, just because you would not want someone else to do something unkind to him or her, its not worth the risk.  I really understand how you feel about wanting your dog to be able to protect your farm!  I am sorry you are going through this, its really a hard call, the neighbor lady really should not be yelling at your children, sounds like she might have a screw loose!  let us know how its going.   hug

September 18, 2011
12:24 am
Ruthmarie
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"She left appeased, sure she would not end up with puppies and happy she wouldn't have to fix her dog (as if ours was the only male in the area)."

Whew!  Not only does this read as someone who will have difficulty ever being completely content about this situation but rings as someone who may not be able to afford having a stray dog spayed, which is a pricier operation than neutering.  And I find it oddly irresponsible to not spay the dog regardless if this is country living … a quarter mile is certainly not enough for doggie amnesia (they have such an acute sense of smell as well as instinctive pack behavior) so this isn't going to have an easy resolution without the dogs having disciplinary training or everybody invests in electic fences.  And if money is a problem, there are free or low pay clinics in many cities to handling neutering of a pet.  It would certainly cut down the female's "come hither" howls when she's in heat.

I think there needs to be a more in depth conversation with the neighbor as to what she expects of the dogs vs the reality of their doggie behavior.  There's something she's missing in understanding.  Good luck with this, langela.

September 18, 2011
11:56 am
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I am so sorry you are having problems with your neighbor and never in a million years did she have the right to yell at your children.  But we live in the country with everyone having dogs running loose but ours.  We just don't let our collie off the lease unless my husband or I are outside.   I think it is fine for someone to have a dog loose on their farm, if they stay on your farm only.  Having had so many problems with other farmers' dogs on our property along with horses, cows and goats, it can cause hard feelings.  I don't like cleaning up after someone's elses animals and the damages can add up quickly.  Two years ago a neighbor's dog even killed a jersey cow on another farm.  Boy, that sure caused a big fuss!!

I think honestly, you are in a no win situation.  I am so sorry to say.  I would sure hate to see something happen to your dog. 

There will always be problems with neighbors whether in the city or the country. 

I could also be a hermit, my daughter tells me all the time I am anti-social.  I just want to do my own thing and be happy, not being bothered.  Good luck!!

September 18, 2011
1:34 pm
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This is a tough problem. I think it would definitely be prudent to help her get this stray spayed. What will happen when the dog does get pregnant? Will she say that your dog must not have been fixed after all? Could you afford to pay for the spay or help find an organization that will cover it? Some rescue groups will pay for the surgery even if the people aren't low-income-they justify it because the animal is technically "homeless". I would love to research this for you and figure out some options. I'm not sure where you are but a lot of research can be done online and I'm willing to spend the time on it.

 

I don't think that I'd want to give someone a pellet gun and free reign to shoot my dog. Did you know this person before this situation? Have you gotten along well before?

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September 18, 2011
4:51 pm
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I don't really get it.

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Today we came home to her dog in our yard, playing with ours. She came by later to pick up her stray and all but yelled at our kids to get our dog tied up and keep him off her property. I went, when I heard about this, down to her house and asked what was up. She said, "I don't want my dog running away or down at your house, so you need to tie up your dog.

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When I read this her dog came to your yard….so because her dog runs away you have to tie up yours?

I  think what solution you come up with…she will not be satisfied

September 18, 2011
5:39 pm
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I agree with Flatlander that your neighbor may never be satisfied… I just reread what she  quoted from your post and realized what she said about tying up your dog.  Exactly ~HOW~ will having your dog tied up stop her dog from coming into your yard?

She better fence her own yard if she's going to get upset about dogs coming to visit her female if she doesn't want to spay her, and it better be a very high fence with some deep reinforcement if she doesn't want other intact male dogs to come sniffing around.  It seems to me that worrying about your lad who's been neutered, and has been minding his own business (for how many years?) causing her to wander is just a little backwards.

Mind you, I'm forced to say she's within her rights to want your dog to not go on her property, but she's got some wacky problems besides that. yes 

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September 18, 2011
7:46 pm
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As long as her dog is not spayed, she will have problems with dogs on her property, and her biggest problem won't be your neutered dog………  Unfortunately, in a couple months, she will have puppies.  Probably, her dog is already pregnant.

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September 19, 2011
8:47 am
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I hope you find a solution to this problem. I keep my dogs leashed and penned too. For their own safety. I know several of my neighbors don't love my dogs as much as I do and wouldn't have a problem hurting one of them. Also one is a Alaskan malamute and Timber Wolf mix. He is massive and looks like a very furry pony with the head of a lion. He is just scary to look at but has the heart of a teddy bear, but I'm sure if he was running at one of my neighbors they wouldn't take the time to check his personality. So he stays actually on a small log chain unless we are attempting to walk him (more like, he walks us). We do have an unusual situation in our small town of 34. There are a lot of old empty houses here, empty overgrown lots, wooded areas, ect. We have someones mule or donkey on the loose. A few people have complained and several have seen him and we thought he belonged to one of the neighbors. He does not. We have asked them all and no one knows who he belongs to. He is wild and won't let us catch him. Yes, I get the pun, we have a wild ass on the loose in our little town. LOL! We have several wooded areas around us and corn fields everywhere, so he has lots of places to hide in. Any suggestions on how to tempt him out or to catch him?  This is about the strangest problem we have had around here in a very long time. Thank you!

September 19, 2011
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I can understand you neighbor not wanting other dogs on her property, but if that is the case then she should get her dog spayed and kept tied up or kenneled. A male dog will come for miles once a female is in heat.

I think it was very wrong of her to yell at your kids and tell you to tie up your dog because hers was over at your house.

September 19, 2011
2:42 pm
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Long ago, before I knew better, I had a golden retriever who was not spayed.  Whenever she came into heat, we penned her, but a big German Shepherd came and camped outside the the building where she stayed.  Jack (short for Hit-the-Road-Jack) was neutered, but he was just as interested as if he wasn't, and didn't leave until she was out of heat.

Anyhow, that is neither here nor there, just kinda funny.  I too live in a rural area, and would like to let my dogs run, but. . . . they can get in so much trouble in so little time.  I see the neighbor's dogs run cattle in the field below the house, and it would only take a second for my dogs to join right in the fun–because they are predators and pack animals, and some things cannot be trained out of them.

I think your neighbor is out of line, and has a lot of nerve, but I also don't think you will be able to fix that.  Maybe the next time 'her' dog visits, it should get a ride to the humane society?

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September 27, 2011
7:32 pm
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Just an update. We kept Buddy inside with us for a day. Then we started letting him out at specific times. He seemed most likely to go patrolling in the evening when we were inside, before bed/ dark and in the morning when my husband left for work. So now we just let him inside at those times or at least watch him. He hasn't left the yard yet, backing up my argument that he doesn't go down there and spend all day everyday like she said. I also went back down to her house the other day. Her dog is back off-leash and staying home. I asked her how we were doing and she said Buddy hadn't been back down since and thanked me. I told her we would be picking pears that evening across the road and he would be down with us, but we would make sure he came back home without stopping at her place. She said she didn't mind him visiting. She was just upset that her dog came down to our place. I told her to feel free to yell at him and tell him to go home if he came down again. She sounded surprised that I would ask her to yell at my dog. I'd rather her do that than to keep him tied up. I also tried to talk her into getting her dog spayed. I told her my dog wouldn't be her only problem if she didn't. She half-heartedly agreed. We'll see, I guess. Just wanted to let you know how things have progressed. Thanks for your opinions.

September 28, 2011
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Spaying is her only way to fix the wanderings.spinning-devil

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