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CITR Liquid Soapers
March 25, 2011
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Suzanne McMinn
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Taking off from the post about adding honey at light trace in hard soap--I wonder if you could do that in liquid soap? You see storebought liquid soaps that at least claim to have honey in them.

Clover made me do it.

March 25, 2011
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Suzanne McMinn said:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com.....CreamSoap/

 

Is that the cream soap group, Amerayl?

Yup, that's the one!

March 26, 2011
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I think they are speaking Greek in there, Amerayl!!!!

Clover made me do it.

March 26, 2011
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sunMy lye is here and I'm making LS today sun

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March 26, 2011
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Sorry about that Suzanne, they are kinda confusing. I know they expect you to go thru the previous messages and do your own research, which isn't a bad idea, but they could make it easier by having a newbie list of messages to read placed in the files.

Cream soap is basically like liquid soap, but much stiffer and opaque because you use oils heavy with stearic acid, and a goodly amount of stearic acid with a touch of NaOH to get a thick soft soap.

It's funny, cause I am about to start a series of experiments and then posting on my blog to hopefully make it a little more clear. At least from my point of view.

A really good place to start is to go to the files and open Bekka's Rose clay Silk cream soap.pdf, she has very nice instructions with photos. She uses the oven method, but I just put it all in the crockpot instead. Use the suggestion of 20 oz of water instead of 13, it will be easier for you. I didn't have any of the additives so when I first made it I used a little Bentonite clay, and it turned out great.

I hope this helps a little. I'm making a tutorial for my friend but haven't had the chance yet. Lol, life keeps getting in the way.

March 26, 2011
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Thanks, Amerayl!  I'm really wanting to try that, but I definitely need to read up on it some more first.

Clover made me do it.

March 26, 2011
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Here is my liquid soap, finally diluted and neutralized. Ready to sit awhile. I'm not gonna thicken it since I plan to use this in a new tooth soap recipe. Since it is very thin, due to the coconut oil, I'm planning on using the foamer bottle I've got hanging around.

I'm going backwards a bit. This was one from Failor's book. I didn't have it before, but read mostly online. I have made liquid soap with success before with just the Summer Bee calc, the regular one (not the advanced, they didn't have it back then). Probably just flukes.

March 26, 2011
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Which recipe is that?  And how do you make the tooth soap?

Clover made me do it.

March 26, 2011
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Mine is diluting now :)   We'll see how it turns out!

 

I googled tooth soap and came up with Dr Bronner's castille soap, coconut oil, sweetener (stevia or xyitol) and peppermint, orange or spearmint EOs.  Is that what you're making Amerayl?

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March 26, 2011
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It's the Creamy Coconut Oil soap. I used coconut oil, olive, sweet almond, peanut and safflower. I like how clear and yellow it turned out.

I'm using this recipe for tooth soap. http://www.naturallyknockedup.com/try-it-tuesday-homemade-toothpaste/ Haven't tried it yet. I have one that I made up using bar soap, but I've run out of one of my ingredients, so trying something different.

March 26, 2011
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Thank you Suzanne and Amerayl for your encouragement I will let you know when I get going with my bar soap. I got to save up and get every thing together first.

March 26, 2011
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Yup, CindyP, except I'm using Anise and Clove EO's. It smells good, so hopefully it will work good. For myself, I don't mind swiping my toothbrush across an unfragranced bar of coconut soap, but my hubby wants something a little more palatable.

March 30, 2011
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Has anyone tried using milk (goat) instead of water?

March 31, 2011
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hollandhomestead, I've thought about trying that, but haven't yet.  I think it would be like with hard soap that you would need to get it really icy cold first and it would be a creamy-looking soap, of course, not clear. 

 

I just got some liquid pearlizer and am eager to try it.  Has anyone used that?

 

Last night, I had set some of my extra liquid soap, diluted and in quart jars, at the top of the steps to the basement to take it down there to store and a cat came and knocked the box all the way down the stairs.  Broken glass and soap EVERYWHERE.  I'll have to figure out how to clean that up today.  The only upside is that now I have an excuse to make more liquid soap. happy-flower

Clover made me do it.

March 31, 2011
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Yikes! Sounds like a mess. Reminds me of the time I forgot about my LS in my crock as I was diluting it. It boiled over all over my desk. Fortunately, most of it went into the drawer. It was a batch I had gelled with HEC so it was really sticky. I was hosing down to drawer for awhile. I cried that that much shampoo was in the yard instead of in the shower. But what was left made some awesome shampoo. Now I'm like a new mom with LS, hovering.

A pearlizer sounds good. I read somewhere where people think a liquid soap is more moisturizing if it looks opaque and pearly.

I've got another batch of cream soap in the crock, but I do plan on doing some experimenting with LS soon. Gotta wait until the baby takes a nice long nap and the older boys are playing outside. Sometimes that just doesn't happen at the same time.

March 31, 2011
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CindyP, how did yours turn out?

March 31, 2011
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I'm sorry!  I forgot to come back and let you know!!!

Well, it's liquid soap.  It works wonderfully.  But it never got to the translucent glob of stuff during the cook.  I used Failor's Super Mild soap which is 4 times as much olive oil than coconut oil.  But it had the feel of my regular soap after 2 hours, so I tongue tested it and no zap....I cooked it for another hour just because!  It was like a whip cream consistency with little bits of vaseline throughout.

I divided that in 2.  One half I diluted 20% in the crock, neutralized and added Vit E, glycerin, and tea tree oil all for using on dry skin.  That turned a white color.  This ended up layering up, so I put it back on the stove and emulsified with borax.

The other half I diluted on the stove.....WELL!!!  By the time I could tell what was happening, it had evaporated back to a paste, but not a stiff paste.  So I diluted again.  Another 20%.  Then I neutralized and added nothing to it.  This turned into such a gel I had to really work hard to get it out of a squeeze bottle.  Diluted AGAIN!  This time at a 50%.  It's great now!!!

 

Do you dilute in the crock or on the stove, amerayl?  The stove was sooooo much easier and faster.....BUT use a pan 4 x as big as you'd think you'd need....I had a super shiny stove after that cleanup wink

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March 31, 2011
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I had to smile about the clean stove. Done that a time or two. I usually dilute in the crock so I don't have to soak the hard bits off, but then I haven't made as much soap paste as Failor's recipes. I'll have to keep in mind the stove bit. Although I did watch a youtube vid that used the oven turned on 200 then off and she let the soap dilute overnite.

April 1, 2011
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That's one of my downfalls...why I don't make wine, cheese that has to age, CP soap....I like to see the end result fast.

I only made 1 pound of the recipe, I didn't do the whole 4#s.  That MAY have been why I had the end paste as what I did, I'm going to do a whole recipe.  I like the recipe....it has a lot more OO than CO and it still comes out clear....a yellowish clear.

The stove took about 20 minutes to do that 1/2 and you see a lot more evaporation.  THAT may be the difference of doing the dilution in the crock or on the stove.  The crock doesn't allow any evaporation....think of cooking chili in the crock--it takes A LONG time to get it cooked down thick, but on the stove it's pretty quick.

I think you could go for a larger % dilution in the crock and end up with the same result as a smaller % dilution on the stove.

 

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April 1, 2011
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I'm going to take the hand soap I have left, that the cat didn't spill down the stairs (!), and try evaporating it on the stovetop today and see if that thickens it up some.  I'll let you know how that works for me.  I'll use a big pot, LOL.

Clover made me do it.

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