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CITR Liquid Soapers
April 1, 2011
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Suzanne McMinn
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oh--and I think I'm going to play and add the liquid pearlizer to it.  You add it to finished soap, so you can add it any time after it's done, even later.

Clover made me do it.

April 1, 2011
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I don't mind the thin soap because I know that it is just as cleansing even if it is like water (like 100% coconut). But if you want to have a nice thick LS like in the stores, you can add some HEC (Hydroxyethylcellulose) http://www.lotioncrafter.com/hydroxyethylcellulose-hec.html at 1-3%. I do this for my hubby, he doesn't like thin soap. I dissolve it in some glycerin and add it to the dilution water. A little goes a long way.

Your soap sounds good, CindyP. I'm going to do 100% olive oil and see if that helps my hubby. He's allergic to a lot of stuff. It seems he might be allergic to one of the carrier oils I use. That is my downfall. I love the oils so much, I tend to use upwards of 8 to 10 different oils in my soaps. Ah well, sometimes simple is best.

May 12, 2011
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I made liquid soap/shampoo with olive oil and coconut oil, after diluting I stirred in the citric acid solution to neutralize.  The citric acid seperated out into little pellets.  What is the problem?

May 12, 2011
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Did you mix the citric acid with boiling water so it would dissolve?  What % solution did you use?

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May 12, 2011
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CindyP, I used a 20% citric acid solution mixed in boiling water and used 3/4 oz to 1 lb soap paste. I mixed it in while it was still warm not too hot.

May 13, 2011
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Mine did that the last time. I just kept in on the crock pot on warm until it was all clear again. I think both the soap and the solution need to be hot hot. I was happy mine came out ok, but I understand that doesn't always happen.

May 13, 2011
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Thanks Amerayl, Maybe I need to cook it longer.  I did also try adding it while both were hot and it did the same thing.  I have 3 more pounds to cook. Hope that will work.

May 13, 2011
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I tried searching for an answer for you, but there just isn't a whole lot of information on liquid soaping.

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May 13, 2011
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Thanks CindyP.  Believe I'll just try again and see if cooking longer helps.

September 11, 2011
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Back in April I did an experiment with liquid soap trying to thicken it using 10% NaOH. I think I may have added too much of the borax solution because the resulting soap was more jelly like than gel. Since I've moved since then, I haven't had a chance to let you all know about the results and of course now, all my notes have disappeared. So I am going to try again soon, but I thought I would see if there were anyone else playing around with liquid soap.

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September 11, 2011
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I've just been reducing mine down on the stove after diluting to thicken it.  It seems strange you'd dilute it with water then simmer it back out, but it works.

I don't like the idea of adding borax back into it to thicken...I know it's safe, but it's a cleaner, and to me that makes me think harsher...just me.  Glycerin is expensive when you're talking 2 ounces per pound of diluted soap....that's around 11 ounces of glycerin for just a 1# batch of soap, so I haven't done that.

I want to experiment with NaOH for a thicker soap...on the list!

Here's a link to Brambleberry thickening their castille base with a salt brine, it pearlizes it, too.  May try that one.  http://www.brambleberry.com/Natural-Castile-Liquid-Soap-Base-P4609.aspx

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September 11, 2011
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o thank God...I am studying and studying and studying...

  had a lovely time with the peppermint hard bar...but I was using a fish scale and a little bucket. 

  I do not mind you laughing at that...i had a good one myself.  and the kids will make fun of me for years.

     still having a hard time finding a good scale...cheap enough...

        Joe laughs and says..."  how many bars of aldi soap could we have bought for THIS scale? "   I did not buy it...too pricey.

 

    I will succeed...but no more fish scale measuring.

  laur

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September 12, 2011
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Love it, Laur!  Did the soap turn out???

 

Here's the cheapest one ($18) I could find at Walmart online.  You have to order online, but it's Free Ship to store... http://www.walmart.com/ip/The-Biggest-Loser-Digital-Food-Scale-6.6-lb.-Capacity/11090896

Tell people you're looking for a digital scale (that'll weigh up to at least 2# ... that means you can measure 2# of oil at once if you wanted)... or try freecycle.org!  People may have all the equipment you'd need for soapmaking!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

September 13, 2011
4:09 pm
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I guess that is where we differ a bit. :) I see borax as a useful mineral that when used correctly is pretty good. I still use it when I made some beeswax lotion. I also don't like the thought of using horrible amounts of glycerine though. So expensive.

I'm gonna try neutralizing with citric acid next time anyhow to see if that helps improve the batch. Don't know why but I feel like I would like to try to do as much as I can with the stuff on hand that I can, sometimes that means doing lots of experiments. lol I need to keep a closer eye on my notes though.

laur, I've found my favorite scale is a digtal food scale from target. It was around $20 but these days everything is more expensive. I want to get another one that also has ac plug because of the greater accuracy. But I have heard of people using postal scales for their soaping adventures. The most important thing is to be as accurate as you can.

September 13, 2011
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laur, I see online at aldi.com that they have a kitchen living digital kitchen scale for $9.99.  I didn't check shipping.  The one they show is a little different (newer) than the one I have that I bought two years ago for I think the same price at our local Aldi store.  I don't make as much soap as some others, but it has worked well for me for 2 yrs.  I  can set my big old ceramic slow cooker liner pot on it, push tare and weigh all my oils right in it.  I like that.  Just thought I'd let you know.

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August 17, 2012
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Hello liquid soapers!

a few weeks ago, I made a batch of the jojoba moisturizing soap Suzanne posted in her liquid soap tutorial. It was a bit rough going, because it wouldn't mix with water and be clear, so I cooked it overnight and then decided it was fine (whatEVER [insert lots of grumbling and nasty wordsgrrr]) - cloudy or not. After a few days, it was clear! Hooray! EXCEPT: There's a layer of whitish foam-y stuff floating at the top. If you shake the bottles it makes the soap cloudy, then proceeds to rise back to the top over a day or so. I think some of the fragrance oil is up in there (it was a weird purplish color and I see those droplets here and there).

 

The soap is all still sitting in its random assortment of containers (one is in an empty pump bottle I found, and I've been using it - very nice), and I was wondering:

 

1. How would you go about removing it/should I bother?

2. What did I do wrong? I'd like to make a "perfect" batch next time. I followed all the directions for the diluting and glycerin and neutralizing (although my pH paper says it's around 9? - something I'm kind of confused about because I thought Borax was basic, so how could it LOWER pH?)... I ran out of glycerin for one of the sub-batches and that has the same amount of "foam" or whatever it is.

 

It's not a big deal, and I tried to search for this problem in all the forums, but came up with nothing - I did note that someone had commented on it on the original tutorial post.

 

Thanks for your help - I know you're all terribly busy with summer coming to an end. There's not real rush... the soap is perfectly useable, after all!

 

Peace!

September 24, 2012
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got to say I love reading your post on liquid soaping :) butterfly

 

I have done about 15 batches have 100% OO one cooling right now to store the paste for later use

soon I will be trying out the glycerin method sun

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December 1, 2012
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Can I use honey instead of sugar for sequestering liquid soap?

December 15, 2012
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Has anyone found any recipe that works well as a dish soap? 

A couple weeks ago, Chicken Sista' Debbie Burgess asked about a recipe for liquid dish soap.  That intrigued me and I looked over many of the liquid soap recipes trying to decide which might be best for dish soap.  I thought maybe one with the Borax in it would be good for dishes, but there are just too many variables to decide from a written recipe.

I thought I'd ask the question here, in a slightly different way! 

I mean, we'd want it 'harsh' enough to cut grease in dishwater but not so harsh that it takes the skin off our hands while doing dishes.  It would need to rinse off very well, and have it be either unscented or a neutral 'safe' sort of scent.  Something just slightly herbal perhaps but not clingy of course.

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December 15, 2012
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I use just 100% coconut oil liquid soap. I just plugged in the numbers into the summer bee meadow calculator and did not neutralize the soap at all. It isn't harsh on my hands at all. I found that it isn't the same as store bought dish soap where you pour it into the dish water and expect a lot of bubble. I usually just pour a little onto my sponge and just wash that way.

It is a bit thin. I tried to thicken it up for my husband once, but I really didn't like the residue, so I stopped. I don't mind the water like consistency, it is only being used for my dishes and I'm usually the one to wash them.

Just my two cents. :)

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