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5:03 pm
September 20, 2010
OfflineHi, I NEED some advice on pricing my soaps. The client that bought so many soaps last year wants the bar's BIGGER, they are already around six ounces, I weighed some of my soap to see, she wants them double that? I know that some of you MORE experienced soap makers do craft fairs and was wondering if you would share any information on pricing with me, I am at a loss at this point. Feeling kind of frustrated and wondering what I have gotten myself into, because of specific scents wanted, additives, packaging, and just basically they have to LOOK GREAT! smell great! everyone has their OWN idea on scents, this is whats so hard, I might like a scent, but the client might not, and I don't want to spend 20.00 dollars on a fragrance oil that she does not like, also I will be purchasing soap dyes, so do I add this cost into the soap? and any additives that I might purchase? I really want to do a great job and make her happy. The client kept asking me about an olive scent? I asked her if she wanted a all castille soap? she was talking about the scent, well olive oil has NO scent when used in soaping. Part of the problem is that when you don't make soap and don't know the process, its hard for people to understand about scents. Sorry if I am being difficult![]()
9:19 pm
May 14, 2011
OfflinePricing a product seems to be the most difficult factor in starting a small business. I struggle with it myself and professionally this is my line of work. I don't make or sell soap but a basic pricing strategy is pretty universal. Your soap revenue needs to cover your supplies, time, overhead and profit.
Supplies – typically this is the easiest to calculate, based on the recipe you calculated how much the batch of soap costs you to make it. Including tax and shipping if applicable. Additionally, if you purchase your supplies wholesale some artists/ crafters tack on a retail mark-up to their supplies. Then divide the total cost by the number of bars you get per batch.
Example: A batch of soap cost $2.00 to make and yields 8 bars, the price per bar equals $0.25 per bar.
Time – There are many different ways to approach putting a dollar amount on your time. The easiest is to decide how much, per hour, your time is worth, realistically. If you are a beginner typically your hourly rate would be lower than someone who has many years of experience. Putting a dollar amount on your worth can be tricky but you don’t want to find yourself in a situation where you are working for your very own sweatshop. Once you have an hourly rate record how much time it takes to make a batch of soap from first ingredient to packaging and multiply the time by the hourly rate.
Example: It takes 2 hours to make a batch of soap start to finish, your hourly rate is $8 per hour, and the batch yield 8 bars of soap, the price per bar equals $2.00
Supplies and time are your direct costs; from the example above the direct costs equal $2.25.
Overhead and profit are considered indirect costs and they are typically a little harder for most small business to calculate.
Overhead – these are the cost associated with making your soap that doesn’t directly result in making soap, such as, advertising, utilities, shopping for supplies, creating recipes, craft shows, bookkeeping, etc. This one is hard especially for home based artists who fit all these tasks in between there other responsibilities. The fastest way to do this is to record, for a month, all the time you devoted you your soap business that wasn’t to create soap, multiply that number by your hourly rate and divide by the number of bars you made that month.
Example: You recorded 10 overhead hours, your hourly rate is $8 per hour and you made 160 bars of soap, you’re overhead per bar equals $0.50.
Profit – All products have a profit built in, you deserve to make a profit. I particularly found this one hard when creating a price structure for my glass, so I understand. There are usually at least two levels of profit built into a product, first is the profit to the manufacturer (you) and second is the profit to the distributor (retail store). Without going into too much detail, your (manufacturing) profit is essentially the return you desire from your business. If you invested your money somewhere else you would expect a return, so you should expect one from investing in yourself. Profit, similar to hourly wage is a realistic expectation of a return on investment. For this example I’m going to use 8.75% (makes the final math simple). Add up the costs for supplies, time and overhead. Then multiply that total by your profit ($2.75 X 0.0875 = 0.25). Add the profit amount to the supplies, time and overhead to arrive at your wholesale or price floor amount. ($2.75+.25=$3.00)
The distributors profit is the amount that the seller marks up the product to cover their expenses. This amount varies but typically averages 100%, so double what they buy it from you for. This is an important number to know even if you aren’t selling to a distributor right now, because one day you might want to put your items in a the little boutique in town or a shop owner will contact you and want to know your wholesale price. So it’s best to factor in a retail mark-up now than having to double your prices later.
Example Math Overview:
Direct Costs:
Supplies: 0.25
Time: 2.00
Indirect Costs:
Overhead: 0.50
Profit 1: 0.25
Wholesale Price: $ 3.00
Profit 2: 3.00
Retail Price: $ 6.00
Again, I don’t make soap, so in no way do I imply that my example numbers are realistic just mathmatical examples.
Additionally, many people have written many books on this one topic and I have only provided a simple summary version. I hope it helps and I apologize if this was more information than you wanted.
10:05 pm
December 14, 2010
OfflineKat 43082 is largely correct. You are not trying to find someone to take away your surplus soap. The client has specific ideas for what she wants. Offer to work with her for the cost of materials plus a little for your time until you have a product that pleases her. By then you should know what your costs will be if you have kept good records. At that point you should be able to establish a unit cost. Remember you are selling and buying by the pound. The cost of new moulds should also be considered.
Lately the Dial Soap bars have changed shape while staying the same length and width and thickness but they have distinct hollows on each side so the bars are lighter. But Dial soap is sold in six bar packages and if the weight is displayed it is in small print.
12:21 am
September 20, 2010
OfflineDon't forget packaging costs and labor!
Figure in EVERYTHING you put into that bar, right down to the oatmeal or basil or fragrance/essential oil…down to the $/ounce.
After doing several different batches (figuring in cost of supplies, shipping of supplies and wrapping + labor of CPHP, cutting and wrapping + overhead), I charge $1/ounce retail, 50 cents/ounce wholesale…and what I've sold as wholesale has been loaves of soap (no cutting or wrapping involved!). Some recipes are cheaper than others per batch, some are more, but I average out at that.
If the $/bar of supplies alone is less than .75, this works out. If it goes above that, I would be finding a different place to find my supplies. This doesn't work out buying my supplies locally! If you're making soap to create a business, buy supplies at wholesale. You will lose out or have to charge a ridiculous price to make it worth your while.
With this lady that will be ordering lots of soap, you may want to do a middle price for her? Between wholesale and retail? That's up to you. But I would come up with a price and give her a quote BEFORE you start making it! Is she wanting as many bars of soap but larger and expecting to pay the same as last year? The price will be higher of course. Don't sell yourself short! If she doesn't want to pay it, let her find someplace else that will allow her to be demanding AND pay a cheap price…she won't find it.
4:45 pm
December 14, 2010
OfflineI have often had people balk at the cost of work that I do and I offer to tell them what tools and equipment they will need to do the job themselves.
Just graciously offer to teach her to make soap and tell her what she will need for supplies and equipment and what she will have to do to ensure her safety. When she understands all of that and still wants you to do it for fun send her packing.
11:05 pm
September 20, 2010
OfflineThis is going to be a LEARNING experience for me!!! since I am MATH challenged, it is time to learn! on a side note, last year this person spent around $700.00 on soaps, I spent MANY hours, days and weeks for the order to make everything perfect, I did enjoy it, but this year I am starting much earlier. The client wanted four different fragrances last year one of which was an Almond sent, the sent was so strong that the WHOLE house STUNK of almond, for week's I like almond, BUT it was really bad, anyway yesterday I went through some of my soaps that I made last year and came across a bar of the Almond Soap I made, IT HAD NO SENT!! left in it! has this ever happened to anyone else? just wondering because I am starting early and I sure do not want any soaps that I make to lose their sent before I sell them, I always use a fragrance calculator and check the flash point and check my soap temp before I add any fragrance to it. Cindy, I have a place here that I can order in bulk for my oils, I have checked around online and for me this is much cheaper, its a Bee Supply place that sells soap making things too, and I don't have to pay for shipping, and hubby has to go pick up Bee supplies for his work all the time, so I figure he can bring them home for me and I won't have to pay for the gas to drive there. I am going to start making lists of the things I need to purchase and start from there, add prices up and start figuring all of this out. A VERY BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE!!!!!!! I never would have made soap if it were not for all of you wonderful people, and last Christmas was a very tough one financially for our family, so the soap money really helped us!!!! The husbands hours are always cut in the winter, so this year I have been canning, freezing, and storing food away for the difficult times. ![]()
8:13 am
December 28, 2008
OfflineAlso, don't forget that if you are doing a special scent that you don't expect to use later, the customer who ordered that specialty "flavor" gets to pay for the entire bottle. Personally, I wouldn't if I liked it myself and could conceivably use it later myself. The standard I would use there is if I could no longer sell any soap (for some strange reason) after this week, would this scent be a loss? If it would work for me personally, or in gifts for my friends AND I actually would use it for either purpose, then I would consider passing along only the cost of what she used and not the entire bottle.
Of course, there is nothing ethically wrong with passing along the entire cost of a scent which is a special order and not likely to ever be in your inventory otherwise.
Just be sure to consider which way to add that cost on!
11:22 am
September 20, 2010
OfflineI will be sure to add this cost on to the final product, I have ordered specific scents for this person and have paid top dollar for them, the tricky thing is that this person does not make soaps, and just has an idea of what scents she wants, so its a guessing game for me when I purchased them for her, I plan to use all the scents I ordered not just for her soaps if any are left to sell at my husbands place of work. Scents are a funny thing because everyone likes different ones and you cannot please everyone, I am always asked if I have a certain type of fragrance. This is what I plan on making a citrus, pumpkin spice for the holidays, a chocolate mint, I also ordered a lemon sugar type, coconut, brown sugar cinnamon and some other fragrances that I already have on hand. Soap is a funny thing to sell, people will buy it, but when buying they always ask if you can make them a certain scented soap, not realizing that fragrance oils and essential oils are very expensive to buy for just one bar of soap, so I try to make a range of scents to please everyone. Great idea Pete!!! this person has asked for specific scents and I will add the cost on as well as any additives that I purchase, she wants a coconut soap with real coconut in it, as well as specific colors for the soaps this year. It is all a learning experience and I really love to do it and am very blessed to be able to do it. Thank you all!!!! 
12:22 pm
October 20, 2010
OfflineI kind of skimmed over this post, so I apologize if I missed something…This person obviously liked your soap when she first came across it I assume, so I would not modify too much. As others have said, give her resources and she can make it herself.
This lady isn't asking you to make bigger bars for the same price I hope…..???
From my experience, unless I have a customer that is buying a TON of soap, I will no longer bend over backwards to do custom…especially if they are the type that no matter how far you bend over they are never happy. I have a wholesale customer…I charge him 30% below my retail price. He will buy whatever I have. He lets me know which scents are really popular and I will try to stock my inventory up on those…but if it's not in stock, he's glad to get what I have.
I had a friend tell me about a nitpicky wholesale customer she had…basically picked her soap apart. I would have said "see ya"…buy it somewhere else…but she didn't. This client treats her like she should feel privelaged to have her soap in her store…![]()
Sorry…I wouldn't be losing sleep and 100 miles of driving for 18 bars of soap……….yes…18 bars…
Every time you add a new scent, etc…it costs you money. I agree with Pete…add the cost of the entire bottle of the special order fragrance to her order.
As your business grows, you will probably start narrowing down your fragrance offerings to best sellers & a couple seasonal ones, you will produce a specific bar size, etc..because you won't have the time to do the fun stuff…of trying all kinds of new fragrance, packaging ideas, etc…
Bottom line….don't sell yourself and your products short…..don't let this order become drudgery…………
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