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Liquid castile soap help?
September 30, 2011
12:16 pm
Miss Nellie
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I have a batch of liquid castile soap in the crockpot now using a recipe I found on several sites on the internet.  Recipe  16 oz sunflower oil, 16 oz distilled water, 5.5 oz potassium Hydroxide cook to a paste, then add 40 oz water and cook more until a paste forms.

After cooking this for a couple of hours it finally came to a lite trace not a paste.  I finally added the 40 oz water and it is now a creamy mass in the crockpot and is notthing like a soap base.

Is there something wrong with the recipe or have I done something wrong?  Help please if you can.  Should I just throw it out? 

September 30, 2011
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Not an experienced soapmaker here, but one of those hideous frugal folks, so in answer to one of your questions:  NO!!  Don't throw it out – it's still soap presumably!!

But, have you run the recipe through soapcalc?  That is the only way I know of to discover if the proportions are correct or not.

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September 30, 2011
3:31 pm
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Everything I've read and studied about liquid soap, it should be brought to a trace before you start cooking……stirring, stick blender, etc.  Or maybe the recipe used cooking time for trace?  But I don't see how potassium hydroxide could provide a trace by just cooking…the trace is like taffy.  The paste forms after bringing to trace then cooking…the longer you cook it, the more transparent it becomes.  After you add 40 more ounces of water, it won't ever come to a paste again…you're diluting it into liquid soap.

I ran a couple different soap calcs using 100% sunflower oil, and they both are calling for 9.9 oz of water and 3.3 ounces of KOH.

Do you mind giving the link where you found this?  I'd love to read how they're doing it.

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October 1, 2011
9:04 am
Miss Nellie
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CindyP, This is the link www.ehow.com/way_5422101_homemade-liquid-castile-soap.html
where I found the recipe it was also at other sites I went to. After cooking the soap for 5 hours I had to leave home so I turned it off. This morning it is a soft paste but not clear like jelly. So what do I do now, How would I go about rebatching it or is there something else I need to do now? Thanks for you help Cindy.

October 1, 2011
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Lots of times the same recipe will be used….from 1 author or as a link or stolen.  You can tell if it's the same wording.

 

Have you tested to see if it's neutral?  Tongue test or with Phenolphthalein?  If it's neutral you're ok…if it's not, just keep cooking it.  Some recipes can take hours.  And this one had A LOT of lye for only 16 ounces of oil.

 

DID you mix it with a stick blender to form a paste before cooking?

"Mix this all together using a hand-held stick blender on low. You may stir by hand with a wooden spoon, but the hand-held stick blender will make the task easier. The mixture will likely appear as though it is going to separate. This is normal. Just keep mixing. The mixing of your ingredients will create a pasty consistency. Now pour 40 oz. of tap water into the crock pot. Combine this with the paste using your hand-held stick blender."

 

From my experience, I just don't see how all that water (56 ounces!  almost 1/2 gallon) could produce a paste.  I haven't replaced my stick blenders that burnt up at the Retreat yet or this would be in the crockpot already!  I'm heading to the store!

 

They don't tell you how to dilute it…how much water or anything.

But DON'T THROW IT OUT! It's saveable I'm sure.  Just make sure it's neutral and then determine the consistency of it…you may have to play with the amount of water to use to dilute it.

 

I do have a VERY EASY liquid soap tutorial on my site.  It's only using coconut and olive oil pomace (or olive oil will work).  http://ourlifesimplified.com/h…..-easy-way/

And according to what Kirk's says about castile soap, that recipe is a castile soap…all vegetable product.  I consider castile soap to be 100% olive oil, but I guess 100% vegetable oil is considered castile today.

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October 1, 2011
6:47 pm
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I tested it and it is still millky so I know it needs to cook more.  Can I just turn it back on and cook without adding more water?  I wanted to make this recipe because I tried the olive oil recipe and wanted to make shampoo with it but it maked my hair very oily.  I thought this one might work better for making shampoo. I am trying to find a shampoo I am not allergic to.

I did use the stick blender until it was a lite trace soft pudding like and my blender was too hot to hold, that is when I added the 40 oz water and continued to cook.  I think Monday when I have time I will just turn the cockpot on and cook some more and see what happens.

October 2, 2011
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Miss N, pardon me for butting in here, but please do not forget the neutrality test.  It sounds like that is an important step before deciding how to proceed.

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October 2, 2011
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I have done the tongue test and there is no bite at all.  So does that mean it does not need to cook any longer just start delution?

 

Cindy what delution rate would recommend for this recipe?

I appreciate everyone's help with this.

October 2, 2011
8:21 am
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With liquid soap, the trace is not the same as bar soap.  It's like a taffy or like ehow describes "The mixing of your ingredients will create a pasty consistency."  Your blender won't be able to blend.  And it doesn't drop off your blender.

It's ok not to have the stick blender going all the time.  Give it whir for a minute or so, let it rest, but keep stirring the soap with it just like a spoon.  It will take a while to get to trace.

 

Did you make liquid soap with olive oil?  You can use that same recipe and substitue any soft oils.  Suzanne made a liquid soap with lanolin that she really liked as a shampoo. http://chickensintheroad.com/h…..quid-soap/ It's way down in the recipe part.  That's a 4# recipe, you can divide it down into a 1#.  That recipe has a lye excess, so you will have to neutralize.

 

And yes, milky indicates lye activity.  My advice is to just keep cooking it.  Stir it also every once in a while (15 minutes or so).  Air can get trapped and not let it saponify as fast.

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October 2, 2011
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Sorry, I was working on that comment while you did yours! 

 

If there's no bite, it's neutral.  But it's still milky.  Hmmm.  That could be from cooking it and adding water from light trace instead of normal liquid soap trace.  You will end up with a milky soap.  But I think if you keep cooking it, that will come out.

When you diluted 1 ounce of paste with 2 ounces of boiling water, did all of the paste melt?  That would be a 20% dilution.  If it all melted in, I would cut back to a 30% and see how that works.  All oils dilute at different levels….and I've never worked with 100% sunflower to know what that is.  On liquidsoapers on Yahoo, many of them just dilute at 20 or 25% then thicken.  The olive oil recipe on my site, I dilute at 15%, because it just won't dilute all the way with any less water.

For 15 percent soap — 48 ounces water (3 pounds) added per pound of paste
20 percent — 32 ounces (2 pounds)
25 percent — 22 ounces (1 pound 6 ounces)
30 percent — 16 ounces (1 pound)
35 percent — 12 ounces
40 percent — 9 ounces

 

Hope this helps!

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