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Anyone Else Having Trouble with Jars NOT Sealing?
September 18, 2011
6:33 pm
Canner Joann
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I've had the worst luck with jars not sealing this summer!  It seems like I'm losing 1-2 jars each canner load.  I sometimes have luck reprocessing, but not always.  Am I the only one?  This has never happened before this year.

 

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September 18, 2011
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Are you using those silver lids?  Any I've had fail are those newer silver lids, the old ones I had leftover seem to seal up fine.

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September 18, 2011
6:49 pm
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Yes, these are the silver Ball lids.  They are the only ones available here.  I was thinking about buying some in bulk from Lehmans, but the season is nearly over, so I just hadn't yet.

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September 18, 2011
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Deb, Thanks for the heads up on the silver lids.  Are they the lids and rings or just the lids?  I'm not canning yet (at the acquiring jar stage) so, I'll buy the other ones and just use these for decoration.

JoAnn, I'm sorry you're having these issues but thank you so much for sharing.  I appreciate your sharing your experience as I probably would have purchased the silver lids.  If that had happened to me, I might not can again.  Your sharing let's me know that it may not be me that is the problem and that I can reach out to my Chicken Sisters for help and questions. 

September 18, 2011
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Chicken Sisters United!

Hey – most of them are sealing just fine, but I do think something is wrong with the Ball lids this year.  I even called them. They just kept reminding me to follow proper procedure – as if I hadn't been canning either on my own own or with my mom for 35 years.  shame-on-you

 

I think I'll buy in bulk from Lehman's for next year's harvest and see what happens.

 

Joann

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September 18, 2011
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Most of my failures have either been from lids more than a year old or having forgotten (maybe) to wipe the jars before placing the lid.  I have been, in the past couple of years, paying more attention to the age of the lids after reading at numerous sites that it can be an issue.

I also wonder just how using lids which come with new jars might be a factor.  I've even had new jars ping in the car on the way home!  If I have to really pry open the jar, I usually discard that lid.

Bottom line is that I try to not get too far ahead on purchasing lids.  But we really have no control over how long they were stored in a very hot warehouse somewhere.

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September 18, 2011
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Inspect the sealing compound before you use the lids and on the ones that don't seal. I bought two dozen boxes last years so I haven't yet seen a problem. If the ones that don't seal appear to be visibly different from what you expect send the failed lids to Ball for their inspection.

September 18, 2011
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My sister and I have canned together for years. This is the first year I have ever had trouble and yes, it was the silver ball lids also. I had about 15 fail. I have since started using my Tattler lids and love them !

I think ball put out a bad batch of lids and doesn't want to own up to it….. good advice on sending the failed lids back to Ball.

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September 18, 2011
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If you still have the box the lids came in it will have the lot number(s) on it Ball will also need that.

September 18, 2011
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I'm glad to know it isn't just me!  I'll see if I can find some of the failures to send to them.  Grr….

I too think they have a bad batch or machine (not laying enough rubber or something) and won't admit it. 

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September 19, 2011
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It is posible that if you send several failed lids back that they may send you replacements. 

September 19, 2011
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Are you guys aware that the new lids should NOT be left in boiling water before use?  It makes the new sealing compound too soft, and can lead to failure.  They should go in hot but not boiling water.

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September 19, 2011
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Good point sparrowgrass, and NO lids should actually be boiled, period. But the new ones seem to be the most 'fragile'. I have heard more about seal failures since Ball/Jarden put out the new silver lids than ever before. The compound just needs heated, nothing extreme.

 

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September 19, 2011
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I complained to Ball a few years ago about a couple of boxes of lids that I bought that all had an indentation mark that looked like the tip of a flat head screwdriver had been banged into each one. They sent me a few coupons for a free box of lids. That was it, no other response or explanation….

 

dede

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September 19, 2011
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Same here! Two whole boxes dented! GRRRR. Made for a frustrating canning day! 

I found one of those baby crock pots, for dips or potpourri, at a thrift store ($1) and use that for heating up my lids. Works great.

September 19, 2011
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Since we are now sharing how we warm our lids smiley-puppy will add that I have thought very seriously about using that old potpourri pot for that purpose, especially on a day when I have a huge amount of canning to do.  However, so far I am still using a shallow but wide crockery bowl.  Put the lids in it (kinda spread/fanned out) then add hot water.  Usually I heat water up in an electric kettle to boiling.  By the time it is added to the lids in the bowl it is hot but no longer boiling.  And they are often sitting there long enough for the water to become tepid.  They still work because the sealing material has been softened, and that is all we are looking for.

Coincidently, a good friend shared today that she has quit buying Ball lids altogether, for this reason!  (I promise, I did nothing to get her to say that – she just volunteered the info!)

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September 19, 2011
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Just out of curiosity, why would it matter it the lids are boiled?  Once on a jar, they either go in boiling water or in pressured heat (hotter than boiling) for a long time. 

Either way, I don't boil my lids unless I just forget to check them….

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September 19, 2011
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During processing, the compound on the lids is forming to the rim of the jar – stays in that formation as it cools and 'seals the deal' so to speak. Boiling lids loose in a pan can damage the compound, overcook it in a sense, to the point it may not re-soften and form that seal we want.

I mis-spoke when I said that we should never boil lids. There is a school of thought that it's worth a shot boiling lids briefly when they have been previously used if one is desperate for lids – may soften the compound and plump out that ridge that forms as mentioned above in the canning process. I do know people that do this and endorse it.

 

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September 19, 2011
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OK.  Thanks fror the info!

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September 20, 2011
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I love the idea of the small crock pot. I usually have to use the tea kettle to warm water and then put in a bowl, but this would take some thing off the stove and keep them warm. I have been using BerNARdin lids that I bought  at a garage sale. I got 26 new boxes for $5.00, so even if a few fail, I am ahead of the game.  So far, despite being very old, they have all worked. The boxes are musty, but the lids inside are brand new. Not sure if they even make that brand any more.

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