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Anyone Else Having Trouble with Jars NOT Sealing?
September 20, 2011
8:58 am
aprilejoi
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I just came across the Weck jars at http://www.weckjars.com. I love the simplicity of their design and they look oh so CLEAN.  Might have to try them.

     The only trouble I have had this season with Ball lids not sealing is when I canned apple pie filling. It seeped out of a few jars and made a mess in my canner. It was probably me though, not having the jars tightened enough. And I lost a lot of syrup in the jars that did seal. Anyone know why apples don't brown in the jars even though they are not covered with liquid?

September 20, 2011
9:17 am
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@ Ruby, Bernardin IS still in business, they are a Canadian company and they even still make the 'gem' sized lids that Ball quit making, about the same time they started making the thinner gauge silver lids.  I don't think anyone is making the jars themselves though, so it's strictly a size that you have to be lucky to find in garage sales or from Great Aunt Lou!

That's a size jar that is popular with our neighbors to the north which we don't often find down here in the south-lands.  Keep your eyes open and if you find any, check to see if they're "gems".  They're larger mouthed than the U.S. standard, and smaller than the U.S. wide mouth.  I actually wish they'd caught on more down here, I really like them.

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September 20, 2011
9:48 am
Pete
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Insert caution here!

The solution for seepage is NOT to tighten the rings!!  It is extremely important that they be loose enough so that pressure inside the jars can escape.

The most common cause of seepage is not having a consistent temperature inside the canner.  (Ask me how I know!)  On my electric range, it is almost impossible to keep the correct temp, and resulting pressure, on my pc particularly in the lower pressure range.  The more variation there is, the more seepage I have.

All we can do is the best we can with the equipment we have. 

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September 20, 2011
2:09 pm
Blyss
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I also have seepage if I overfill my jars.  Some things that tend to swell and plump (like apples) when cooked will become too much for the jars to handle.  I try to remember to maybe underfill things like pie filling and Suzanne's Rustic apples with raisins in them.

And Joann (and other Chicken Sisters) I too had terrible luck with the silver lids, two years ago and last year.  My Dad found me some old gold ones on the shelves of the Hardware store he works at, but when I used them all up, I had to go back to the silver ones.  HOWEVER, after calling Ball, and getting the same response (Follow manufacturer's directions) I read the "new" directions, and tried heating water in a kettle to boiling and pouring it over the lids in a bowl, instead of putting the lids and rings in a pot of warm water and bringing it to a boil.  Since I changed my "lid softening" method, I haven't had a silver lid fail. *knocks on wood.* 

I suspect when Ball changed their lids, and made them thinner, the rubber is also thinner, and overheating the lids to prepare them was causing the issue.  I don't know any of this for fact, just from my experience, but it worked for me to not boil the lids anymore.

September 20, 2011
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I have been lucky, not having problems with the silver lids.  A few years ago I lost a lot of goodies using lids that were gifted to me.  They must have been so old that the rubber was breaking down and I didn't realise it.  Now I never store rings or lids outside, only jars!

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September 20, 2011
6:09 pm
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I haven't encountered these newer lids but I do order from these people when I need lids.

http://www.fillmorecontainer.c…..%20Jar.htm

September 21, 2011
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Thanks Ross for the link!

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September 21, 2011
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Pete
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Probably need to post that link up with the canning links in case someone might need to find it again in the future!

http://chickensintheroad.com/f…..ing-links/

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September 21, 2011
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MaryMooCow
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Blyss said:

I suspect when Ball changed their lids, 

Someone recently told me they're making them with a more plastic like seal nowadays, and they don't work nearly as well.

September 21, 2011
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It has been a while since I canned anything until this year. I did use the silver lids and so far have had no trouble with them. I did however put them in very hot water while waiting for my preserves to finish cooking and then put the jars in a water bath for a few minutes to make sure they sealed. So far, so good. Its heartbreaking to do all that work and then the jars wont seal.devil-with-fire

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September 21, 2011
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Thanks, Ross!

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