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Gadget confusion
October 22, 2011
9:37 am
mamajoseph
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There seem to be a lot of ways to do the same thing, i.e. can tomato sauce. Since I'm going to be buying some equipment, I'm trying to figure out the best investments. Trying to figure out if I should get a steam juicer or just add a fruit/vegetable strainer for my Kitchenaid. Mainly I will be doing applesauce and tomato (well pizza/spaghetti) sauce. What's the most efficient (lazy woman's) way to go from fresh tomatoes to sauce and from fresh apples to sauce? Cook 'em all down in the crockpot, then strain? Right now, I peel, core, slice apples and crock pot them and then freeze the applesauce. Steam juicing eliminates the prep work, right?

I have lots to buy, so I'm trying to be frugal, but I also don't want to get 'back to Africa' and be wishing I would have bought so and so.

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October 22, 2011
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Well, steam juicer is great for pure liquid juice… I haven't tried mine for applesauce, though I have been reading that you can steam the juice out then use a food mill to get pulp out and mix them together, but as much as I love my steam juicer for some things so far, I'm still making applesauce the 'regular' way in a pot then running through a mill.  I didn't do my tomatoes in the juicer either because I wanted the pulp and all in my sauce and I don't make (or like) tomato juice.

If that's all you will be doing, I'd say skip the steam juicer, except that it's SO wonderful for other fruit that you want to get pure juice out of either for drinking or jelly making. 

I also have to say that it's WONDERFUL for steaming chicken for broth, you pick the nicest meat off when its "just" done, then steam the HECK out of the rest of the bones and meat for fantastic and wonderfully concentrated broth.

The only food mill I have is a Foley, but I hear wonderful things about the Roma ones, and the Squeezo ones are all metal which is appealing to me, but so expensive.  I have no experience with the kitchenaid ones though so others will have to speak up.

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October 22, 2011
10:22 am
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I say you should get a steam juicer and a food strainer. Steaming the tomatoes for sauce eliminates the need for cooking down tomato pulp for sauce (and eliminates the danger of scorching it!). The tomato 'stock' you steam off can be canned and used for soups, cooking rice, etc. It's a mildly flavored straw colored/clear liquid, NOT tomato juice as we know it to be. Run the steamed tomatoes through the food strainer and you have thick tomato sauce with no peeling or seeding required too. Steam juiced meats are great as Deb said AND you can steam any berry and many fruits to get pure clear juice without seeds, no need to hull strawberries, etc.

I don't even know if the Squeezo brand is made any longer. My strainer is a Villaware and has been great.

The food strainer eliminates seeds, skins from whatever you run through it.

OK, so I jumped around all over the place here LOL, but get both – you won't be sorry.

 

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October 22, 2011
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Carolyn at WalnutSpinney
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I've only had my steam juicer for a little over a year but it's one of two prime tools I wouldn't want to be without for processing food.  Assuming you already have a pressure canner and a pot big enough to serve as a water bath canner (sometimes the pressure canner can do both), the other tool I wouldn't be without is a chinoise (aka china cap or ricer).

I've tried a Foley food mill, borrowed my mom's newer Victorio strainer and used various other alternatives to the chinoise but it always comes out on top for straining and separating fruit/vegetable peels and seeds from the good stuff.  I found mine at a flea market for around $15 which included the stand, strainer and wooden doohickey.  I've seen them online for anywhere from $18 up to $100. 

My mom still has the one she bought when first married which has to be over 60 years old.  They last and last.  She still uses it even though she has the Victorio strainer because for plain tomato sauce, applesauce, etc. it's easier to use and clean.  She does use the Victorio with a couple of special screens (salsa, maybe?) but otherwise even she still relys on the chinoise. An elderly friend called me earlier this month as she had just picked her oriental persimmon tree clean and was trying to put up persimmon puree for the freezer.  But her Foley food mill balked at the big persimmon seeds and she was looking for a chinoise.

If I couldn't have the chinoise, the Victorio would be my second choice.

And, I definitely recommend trying the steam juicer for applesauce.  Earlier this month I did about 4 bushels of applesauce in mine and ended up with perfect applesauce (thick with no liquid forming around the edge of the applesauce when served on a plate) AND about 18 quarts of apple juice without having to peel or core one apple.  I did cut out any bad spots and coarsely cut the apples into halves or quarters.  But otherwise the whole process was done with the steam juicer and then running the SJ apples through the chinoise.  My poor chickens were the only ones who didn't like the results because it meant less waste to toss out to them… happy-flower

October 22, 2011
4:03 pm
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I haven't used either one, so I can't advise. But I was thinking that if the area you live in has unreliable electricity, the steamer/juicer would have the advantage of working when the electricity is out.

October 22, 2011
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Not if you have an electric stove.

October 22, 2011
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Well, member of the KitchenAid crew here!  The strainer attachment is terrific for doing raw veggies, then canning them.  That can be significant for anyone attempting to process foods as little as possible trying to retain as many vitamins as possible.

I have a chenoise et al and have only used it a couple of times.  Not quite sure what the deal is, but I've had it for decades and it sits on top of the cabinets as a decoration.  Now it's a matter of arthritis.  But it's there if we ever need it!

Probably my favorite gadget is the VitaMix.  It grinds anything!  They have gotten VERY pricy, but we use it often.  The KitchenAid with all it's attachments would probably be a better all around investment were we starting out today.

But if I had to do without everything but two gadgets, my top two are the KitchenAid (with attachments) and the VitaMix since it also grinds grain.  But we do have backup non-electric versions of almost everything, just in case.

But, based on the needs you have shared with us here, you probably do need a steam juicer.

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October 22, 2011
6:50 pm
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Yes, tomato sauce and apple sauce are likely the only things I'll be doing. We don't have access to fruit for making jellies/jams and we don't use that much (jam) anyway.

One more question…couldn't I just cook down my tomatoes in the crock pot till thick and sauce consistency just like I do my applesauce? Then put through a food mill/strainer to remove the peels/seeds?

This is VERY helpful information.

Speaking of gadgets…scored a Foodsaver for $5 at a garage sale today! shimmy

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October 22, 2011
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Carolyn at WalnutSpinney
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One more question…couldn't I just cook down my tomatoes in the crock pot till thick and sauce consistency just like I do my applesauce? Then put through a food mill/strainer to remove the peels/seeds?

Yes, you could.  That's what I did pre-SJ (roaster oven or stove-top, usually).  All the SJ does for you is yields thicker sauce, quicker.  Otherwise, you'll have to let the sauce simmer for quite awhile to get rid of the excess watery juice and, in my experience, the sauce tastes much more "cooked", less fresh tomato taste.  But still good!

A dehydrator would let you dry the tomatoes then you could re-hydrate them and puree (stick blender, Vitamix, blender, whatever) whenever you wanted sauce.  And I think the sauce made from dried tomatoes tastes much closer to fresh sauce.  I still can tomatoes and tomato juice but I'm going more and more towards drying tomatoes and making my regular tomato sauce from those.  SJ lets me make ketchup and other tomato sauces that are thick without having to cook down the tomatoes so even with the dehydrators I still want the steam juicer.  wink

October 22, 2011
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I did just pick up a dehydrator from the garage of my MIL, so that would be an option, too. I was thinking of roasting the tomatoes with onions, garlic and herbs before running through a mill and making sauce that way so I've been looking and I see Alton Brown has a recipe like that. I like the idea of more 'hands off' time rather than all the peeling, seeding, chopping. Even if I cook first and do the food mill, I will dehydrate the leavings for sure.

Gadgeting up! Just ordered accessories for my new Foodsaver.

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October 22, 2011
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Oh, good score on the dehydrator!  They really are great to have!!  Yep, you NEED one of those also!!!   yes

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October 23, 2011
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For tomatoes and apples I cut of the bad places and blend. Then, the cooking down part takes far less time. When done cooking I run it through a food mill and can. The SJ is one fantastic piece of equiptment. One of my favorite things to do with it is to steam large batches of sweet potatoes, then mash and dehydrate. Gets them done quick. Thanks for the tip on the KA food strainer attach. I think I will try that out.

October 23, 2011
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If you're in the position to get just one, I would go for the strainer first…you can cook down then process through to get the garbage out.  I even use mine when I'm doing a boat load of mashed potatoes.  I cook them with skins on then run through the machine, add butter and some sourcream and mix together, leaving nice and fluffy mashed potatoes with very little work :)  They do make manual ones, but if you already have the KA, I would get the attachment for that.

I used my strainer for a couple years before I even contemplated the steam juicer.  It works great for many things, but I'm glad I had my strainer!

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October 24, 2011
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I've never cooked/canned tomato sauce, spaghetti sauce or pizzia sauce but I've made LOTS of applesauce.

I quarter, core & dump in a large kettle (or crockpot) with barely enough water to cover.  I simmer until the apples are soft (falling apart) and then I run that thru my blender (skins & all) and can it.  I also add redhots while the "sauce" is still hot, if desired.   So in mine, the skins stay in the applesauce.

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October 25, 2011
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Thanks for ALL your tips. I'm for sure getting the KA strainer. (and pressure canner, of course.) wink The other items I'll leave off unless I come across a great bargain on a used one somewhere. And believe me, my eyes are peeled! surprised

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