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Inversion Canning
May 24, 2012
3:51 pm
KLabmom
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I was having a browse through Pinterest yesterday and I found a woman who did a whole blog post on inversion canning. Now, I know that it is not considered safe anymore, and I water bath my jams and jellies, but I was kind of put off by this woman's flippant attitude towards anyone who tried to tell her it was not safe. 

I'm not sure if it's ok to post a link, but here is the post: http://www.realcoake.blogspot.com/2012/05/inversion-canning.html

And then a post the next day because she got so much flack about it: http://www.realcoake.blogspot.com/2012/05/inversion-canning-safety-discussion.html

I was just wondering what you all thought about this? I kind of feel like this type of information can cause people to develop unsafe canning practices in other areas, (tomatoes for instance). I"ll admit that it isn't the most dangerous thing I have ever seen anyone do while canning, but I thought it might make for interesting discussion :)

May 24, 2012
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There is absolutely no reason to do this. The boiling water bath is there to drive the last remaining bit of air from the jar. Filling the jars and then inverting them simply traps non sterile air inside the jar.

May 24, 2012
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Exactly! The fact that it only takes a few minutes to process the jars properly is worth it in the long run. You know FOR A FACT that your jams/jellies/syrups have been safely canned. 

May 24, 2012
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For as long as I can remember we put up jelly in glasses with a parafin wax seal. Has that method been abandoned?

May 24, 2012
6:58 pm
Ruthmarie
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I remember my grandmother putting up jellies with paraffin.  She hated the hot wax.  And I remembered what could happen if a jar was forgotten and opened into the next year.  Ick.  I don't miss that whole hot wax thing … and I'm much happier with the BWB compared to the inversion technique I remember my grandmother doing with her bread 'n butter pickles.  I'd rather be sure than do all that cautious sniffing every time a jar was opened plus all that awkward juggling of blistery jars with potholders or mitts.

KLabmom … read the other blog … yeah, she does rather cop an attitude with the challenge on the inversion process.  I'd rather be sure of what I'm doing for my family than sarcastic about other folk's wiser caution.  There's a reason for the adage: "Better to be safe than sorry".

May 24, 2012
7:29 pm
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Some of us are just too lazy to try to remember 73 different ways of doing things!  Everything in this house is BWB for at least 10 minutes or pressure canned.

Mom would have been tickled to do BWB instead of the parafin routine.  It was a mess, and she hated it.  But we had apricot, cherry, black cherry, and plum trees so lots of preserves every year.  It was wonderful.  She was picky about sterilizing everything, so it was all about as safe as it could be.  The only "failure" we had was one year when her tomato preserves had sugar chrystals develop.  It still tasted good – just a little crunchy!

I had a terrible time adjusting to not having to sterilize jars prior to processing.  One of those left over practices from days gone by – but at least it wasn't something dangerous to do.  Just a waste of my time and energy.

But, back to the topic!  Well, I suppose she is entitled to her opinion, and there are some people who simply will NOT concern themselves with scientifically proven safety factors no matter how much evidence is presented to them.  But if you are going to put yourself out there as something of an expert on anything, it is pretty important to actually know your topic whether it is canning or something else.

Oh, well.  Not going to go read it.  It's been a stressful enough day without getting the BP up over what someone has said online.  As long as folks DID set the record straight, maybe she will leave the comments up and others will learn.

Here we try very hard to make sure that everyone has the latest information about safety.  That is as much as any of us can do.

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May 24, 2012
7:54 pm
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Using paraffin is now considered unsafe, it is said to encourage the growth of mold which is sometimes safe to scrape off (we always used to) but now has been proven to occasionally, create a toxin that is dangerous to people.  It's my understanding that the mold doesn't always, (or even often) grow while the wax is in place, but the wax 'sets up' the growth for after it's opened.

It's true that many practices our mothers and grandmothers did may not have killed them, or any of us who grew up eating their food, after all we ARE here and talking to each other right?  Thing is, we don't actually know how many of past generations got sick and even possibly died from botulism, or from those mycotoxins that flourished from the paraffin sealing practice.  Modern testing has shown the dangers, and no matter how rare they may be, I'm not at all willing to take the risks with my family's health.  Not when we know safer methods and not when the risks really are pretty darn easy to avoid!  (actually I remember the wax being a real PITA to do too!)  Pete’s right, just stick to the basics of BWB and pressure canning, which are pretty straightforward and it’s really much easier in the long run!

Now that we know better, we can do better.  People who are convinced that whatever they are doing is safe aren’t gong to change, but out of concern for our friends here, we do NOT sanction anything that is not sanctioned by the The National Center for Home Food Preservation, the USDA and accepted as safe.  We don't censor people here, but we do ask that they also stay within accepted safe canning and food handling guidelines since there is just too much chance for disaster otherwise.  Yep Pete, you’re so right, much better safe than sorry.

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May 24, 2012
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Ross
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Please don't try to confuse me with the facts I have already made up my mind. spinning-devil

May 24, 2012
8:38 pm
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I sincerely hope that no one thinks I was advocating FOR inversion canning! I just hate to see bad information out there for new canners to stumble upon. It makes me very sad to think that one of the people who commented how easy it looks might actually go home and do it and make a mistake, cause their family to get sick and not know the cause. I always give my canning advice straight from the Ball Blue Book, and I encourage others who are thinking of starting to can to buy one so they can consult it properly. 

My mom still makes her jam this way and I cannot stand it. It doesn't matter how many times I tell her that it's unsafe, she laughs me off and continues to do it. They also eat meat straight out of canning jars without heating it through, water bath tomatoes without added lemon juice and I don't think she has ever, once, in my lifetime canned green beans using a pressure canner. (And it's not like she's an old lady stuck in her ways, she's just 50). Although I grew up with her canning this way, my grandmother (her mother) taught me the new, approved ways that she cans. 

I saw this blog post and I just thought it was sad that someone would toss out something like that and then refuse to admit that they were wrong. 

May 24, 2012
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my older son was born in 1959 and my younger in 1964. They have no trouble understanding the seriousness of food borne pathogens. The older one is a cook and the younger is an ICU nurse. The risk of getting a jar of bad food is fairly small but the consequences are unforgetable.

This link should be included in every canning discussion we have. http://nchfp.uga.edu/ It should be required reading before you are allowed to purchase your first case of canning jars.

May 24, 2012
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I sure didn't think you were advocating it Klabmom, no worries!  I was just explaining how we always try to steer the conversation to the safe info whenever things pop up here, and thanks for re-posting that link Ross, I meant to but I got distracted. 

I guess I was trying to say that anyone here who tried to post info would have met up with a pretty solid wall of what we've already said here and THEN some!  LOL  Like I said, we don't actually censor much stuff, but we'd take it on as a serious teaching moment!

People like that person just wouldn't want to hear what we have to say.  I hope she and her loved ones stay well and never have any problems.  For myself, I'll keep following the safest methods I can.  cool (Pun intended! laugh )

It's pretty funny that your Grandmother taught you the safer methods but your Mom still does the less safe methods!  My family all BWB'd green beans too and I'm still here to talk about it, but I wouldn't do it that way anymore.  (I'm a bit older than your mom, hehe)

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May 25, 2012
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It is really quite difficult to grow a good botulinium culture but once is more than enough. I compare it to anti-personal land mines. The chance that you will step on one is very small but the result will be life changing or ending.

May 25, 2012
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Yeah, I went back and read her 'justifications' for why she uses this method and doesn't believe any of the hard won wisdom to be had from the various extension offices and test kitchens.  wow. 

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May 25, 2012
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I wonder when some people will realize that the "Government" is made of people just like us. Some are very much concerned that they do a proper job for which they have been employed and some are slackers.

Some people are more concerned with telling the world how clever they are and less concerned that they may be quite wrong.

May 26, 2012
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We remind people also that 50, 75, 100 years ago when people were canning using only BWB, they just did not know the full science behind the process.  Doesn't mean that they were bad people!  Most of the science did not yet exist.

Also, perhaps an equally important factor is that everything being canned was coming from the back yard, or at least from within easy walking distance.  Whatever germs were being canned were familiar ones.  Not only are germs today nastier because they keep mutating, we are exposed to a larger variety of them.

Nope, not taking any chances here at this house!

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