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Container Gardening…By popular request

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3:03 pm
March 21, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

Ok, not really popular, but at CindyP's urging.  :)
First and foremost, I want to say up front that I AM NOT AN EXPERT!!  :)  This is only my second year gardening, period.  I gardened in containers last year, and greatly expanded my containers for this year.  Almost all of my container gardening information comes from two sources:  The Container Gardening Forum on GardenWeb (and more specifically, Al's posts on "Container Soils: Water Movement & Retention" and Raybo's posts on "Best Mix for Earthtainers"), and the book "The Bountiful Container" by McGee & Stuckey.  I also get advice on local, zone-related information from the GardenWeb Forum Rocky Mountain Gardening. 

A lot of folks don't know that container gardening is vastly different than in-ground gardening, and few of the same "rules of thumb" apply.  I will be trying to be very specific in what I did, because even small changes in container gardening can account for widely varied results.  Most importantly, for the vast majority of container gardeners, using regular garden dirt in your containers WILL NOT WORK!  I highly highly recommend reading Al's post referenced above for a detailed, scientific explanation of why.  :)

I am gardening in containers because while I have a lot of room, my husband and I don't plan on staying at this house much more than a year, so I don't want to invest all the time and effort into preparing a long-term garden.  Last year's garden was a true trial run, and this year is more of the same.  I say in advance that I am preparing this year's garden with the understanding that my methods likely mean that it is an annual garden only, and that my perennials probably won't last the winter.

So, with that in mind, here's what happened last year (and thus, what I know worked-this year's garden is more experimental).  I did my gardening in 4, 5-gallon Home Depot buckets.  I drilled 5-6 1/4" holes about 2" up from the bottom of the bucket.  I put one large rock into the bottom for weight, then filled the buckets with organic Potting Mix (NOT Soil.  Very important).  I put regular sized tomato cages in all 4 buckets.  The buckets were planted as follows (all are from seed unless noted):  #1-Eva Purple Ball tomato, Superbo basil, Marigold; #2-Washington Red Cherry tomato, basil & marigold; #3-Unknown variety bell pepper from transplant, unknown jalapeno variety from transplant, marigold; #4-Northern Pickling cucumber, marigold.  I put homemade Complete Organic Fertilizer (from Steve Solomon's book "Gardening When it Counts") in each bucket, and fertilized weekly with a half-strength solution of Age Old Organic brand "Age Old Grow 12-6-6" liquid fertilizer.

I got average crops from everything last year.  My cucumber caught powdery mildew, and my peppers didn't do well because it took me half the summer to figure out the tree in my backyard shaded half of my containers so they only got about 1hr of sun a day.  Once I moved them, things took off.  At the end of the season, I dumped out my buckets in order to see what had gone on underneath the soil.  Even though all my plants seemed to do well, when I looked at the roots, they completely filled the entire bucket.  If they weren't completely root-bound, they were close.  I attributed this to putting too many (at least 3) plants in each bucket.

So, on to this year!  Vast expansions!  I doubled the size of my available gardening space.  This year, I will be planting in 5 of those blue plastic kiddie wading pools (45"Dia x 8" deep), 3 whiskey barrel planters, and 10 Globalbucket SWC's (self-watering containers: for pics & description, see http://www.globalbuckets.org ).  I will be planting perennial herbs (Greek Oregano, Arp Rosemary, Pineapple & tricolor sage, French Tarragon, Bushy & Lemon Thyme, & Lemon Verbena, all from starts from my local garden center) in one pool, annual herbs (Genovese, Red Rubin, & Siam Queen basil, German chamomile, Calypso cilantro, Sweet Marjoram, and cumin all from seed) in the second pool, strawberries in the third; scallions & Encore Lettuce Mix in the fourth; and Parris Island Romaine and Green Bibb Deertongue lettuce in the fifth.  Whiskey Barrel #1 will contain Apple, Chocolate, Grapefruit, Spear, and Peppermints.  Whiskey barrel #2, Nectar F1 carrots & regular chives.  #3 Early Mokum F1 carrots & garlic chives.  The Globalbuckets will be: 2 of LittleLeaf pickling cucumbers, 1 of Fernleaf dill, 1 of Ace bell pepper, 1 of Big Jim Hatch chilies, 1 of jalapenos, 1 of Big Beef Tomato, 1 of Eva Purple Ball tomato, 1 of Washington Red Cherry tomato, and 1 of some kind of Roma-ish paste tomato.  Whew!

I am making the medium for all my containers this year, with two recipes.  For the pools & barrels, I'm using Al's 5:1:1 mix (5 parts pine bark fines to 1 part sphagnum peat to 1 part perlite), as recommended on the GW forums.  For the buckets, I'll be using a 3:2:1 mix of non-moisture control potting mix:Pine Bark Fines: Perlite as recommended by Raybo on GW.  For anyone who cares, in order to make all the soil for my pools & barrels, I used 12x 2 cuft bags of pine bark fines, 1x 3 cuft bag of sphagnum, and 1x 3 cuft bag of Perlite.  It was quite the project!  I drilled a number of 1/4" holes in the bottoms of all the buckets and pools, and a 1/2" hole in the center of each, through which I ran an 8" length of 1/4" cotton rope to function as a wick.

I've already Direct Sowed my annual herbs, but I protected each one with a small cloche made out of a Vitamin Water bottle with the bottom cut off and a 1/2" hole drilled in the lid.  This is a modification of winter-sowing.  I don't have anywhere in my house that I can start seedlings, so this is the next best thing.  It worked pretty well last year, so hopefully it will again this year.  I've also planted out all the lettuce/scallions, since they're more cool-weather anyway.  The first couple of weeks of April I plan to get my buckets put together & get my perennial herbs going, as well as the carrots.  Now, for those of you who are wondering, our late frost date is May 3rd, so I'm pushing it to put my plants out a couple weeks sooner than that.  It's a risk I am willing to take, but it may bite me in the butt!  Part of the reason I can do that is because the soil is in containers, it warms up much faster than ground soil does.  Conversely, it is more susceptible to over-heating, and freezing.  It's all a balancing act.

So, there's my novel!  I'll try to keep updates going throughout the summer so y'all can see how my experiments turn out.  Questions are welcome, as are suggestions.  :)

 

 

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

3:31 pm
March 21, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

Well, I don't know what's going to happen.  I tried linking in some photos, but I can't get anything to show up on my end.  Who knows what all of you can see!

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

6:38 pm
March 21, 2010


mamawolf

Colorado Springs

Mighty Chicken

posts 458

Mrs. Fuzz,  Where in Colorado are you?  Our last frost date in the Springs is a little later in May.  Your containers sound fantastic.  Where do you get the pine bark fines?  Have never heard of it but your container mix sounds like it is something we could use.  Good luck with your garden this year.  Read this week that all over the country there was a fungus which wreaked havoc on tomatoe crops because of wet weather.  The article mentione spraying tomatoes with a fungicide for at least seven days ( Article was in This Old House – April 2010)

 

Mamawolf in Colorado

Learn from the mistakes of others.  Trust me…..you can't live long enough to make them all yourself!

7:23 pm
March 21, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

I'm in Aurora, Mamawolf.  We're pretty lucky here in that the bad weather that hits the mountains usually misses us, and the bad weather that hits the plains usually misses us.  lol  We're also lucky on the moderate altitude.  Where are you?

Pine (or fir works too) bark fines are sold all over the place under many different names.  What you're looking for is something that's partially composted, not fresh.  They're often sold as a soil conditioner (or clay buster), or mulch.  The stuff I got, I got from Nick's Garden Center.  It's Yardcare brand Mini Nuggets.  Sometimes you can get similar stuff at Home Despot and Lowes, etc, it just depends.  There's a lot of posts on Container Gardening about where they might be found and under what particular name.

I didn't have any trouble with the tomatoes last year, but I used Neem Oil on my cukes.  Although it didn't save the plant, it was too far gone when I found out what it was, it did prolong it's life and get a few more cukes out of it than I might have otherwise.

Thank you for your well wishes and compliments!  Someday I might even figure out how to get the pics to link into the post.  LOL

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Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

11:22 am
March 22, 2010


JeannieB

Columbia, South Carolina

Superstar

posts 1453

Thanks for your posts, one thing that is always recommended around here is not to plant tomatoes in the same spot (or mix) each year.   Keep us updated!

Don't cry because it's over—smile because it happened!

12:25 pm
March 22, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

They say that about a few different veggies…Toms, cukes, strawberries…There's some others too.  A lot of it has to do with soil-borne pests, which it seems aren't nearly as much of a problem in containers.  I've heard many variations from "You can do it for 2 or 3 years, but no more" to "Rotate every year" to "I've never rotated and never had a problem."  LOL  So, we'll see what happens!  I'm not reusing any of my potting mix from last year, so this question won't be answered for a year or two.  The soil in my backyard is so poor that I poured the potting mix onto it, and may do that a couple years in a row, improve the soil for whoever gets the property after us.  A lot of it depends on how long we wind up living here.  :)

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

2:34 pm
March 22, 2010


mamawolf

Colorado Springs

Mighty Chicken

posts 458

Mrs. Fuzz.  We are in Colorado Springs and just got rid of some snow and are threatened with more tomorrow and Wednesday.  Welcome to Springtime in Colorado.  One of the veggies not to plant two years in a row in the same place is peppers and not grow them near tomatoes or plant were tomatoes were the previous year.  Something about the relationship between peppers and tomatoes.  Hope we get good Spring type weather soon here in Colorado and all over.  Need some different weather.  No crocuses or daffodils areound town yet. .

Learn from the mistakes of others.  Trust me…..you can't live long enough to make them all yourself!

3:08 pm
March 22, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

Yeah, we got a few inches in that last storm, and more on the way tomorrow and Weds.  Hopefully after that, though, Spring will straighten up and fly right!  My tulips are growing to beat the band, so I take that as a good sign.  One never knows around here, though.  I used to say I didn't like to gamble, but apparently I do when it's garden-related.  :)

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

9:35 am
March 23, 2010


Joyce

Western WV

Mighty Chicken

posts 178

The pictures are great, nice size when you click on them.   You are so organized, we are still cleaning up from last year,  we have heavy clay soil and you can't get in the garden when it is wet.  I just wanted to mention that there is a product called Stop Rot that is sold at Lowes and places like that,  it boosts the calcium level (You spray it directly on the plants) and if you have a wet season it can save your tomato crop.  It stops that blossom end rot that causes the tomatoes to rot on the bottom  just about the time they are starting to ripen. I hope everyone has a great garden this year. Wave

9:43 am
March 23, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

I dunno about organized.  I'm mostly just desperate.  :D  I wannnnnnnnnnnnnnt stuff to growwwwwwww!  :)  Thanks for the compliments & info though.

One of the things recommended by Al on Container Gardening is to water weekly with a weak solution of epsom salts, to give your plants the needed calcium & magnesium to prevent blossom end rot.  I've never done it, but some people swear by it.

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

10:18 am
March 23, 2010


mamawolf

Colorado Springs

Mighty Chicken

posts 458

We save eggshells throughout the year (rinse them out) and till them into the area where we will plant tomatoes to give them the extra calcium and mix 1 tablespoon epsom salts into the soil when planting.  They also like the potassium from banana peels which I also put around the roses.   Will try the Global Buckets and see what happens.  Happy Gardening.  Due for more snow today and tomorrow.  Spring where are you?

 

Learn from the mistakes of others.  Trust me…..you can't live long enough to make them all yourself!

11:37 am
April 8, 2010


monica

Mighty Chicken

posts 494

I tried indoor vegetable gardening–in the winter.  I got a few veggies, though not bumper crops–To do so would mean more light, heat, and care.  BUT, the fact that beans, peppers, and peas appeared proves that it is possible.  

I will try the epsom salts around the plants in the outside garden, because we get bottom rot pretty bad.  Is it safe to use on squash, too?  We get the same thing on our fall squash–so disappointing to devote so much time and space to something that rots before it ripens! 

PS.  …Mrs Fuzz I love your quote!Knight

My budget plan is NOT getting a cart when I go to the store.

12:05 pm
April 8, 2010


MrsFuzz

Colorado

Mighty Chicken

posts 261

Epsom salts is safe to use on pretty much everything, as long as you dilute it properly.  I've seen everything from 1/2 t. per gallon at every watering to 2 T per gallon 4 times a year.  I would start with the lowest dose, and then go up from there if you think you need to.

 

I've been out of town for a few days, and when I got back, my garden had a big surprise for me!  All my lettuce is sprouting (although the Parris Island isn't up much, don't know if it's still too cold, or if its just not going to germinate for me), plus my scallions are peeking through.  Cilantro has also started to show up.

 

I'm on vacation the next two weeks, so I'm going to put my soil mixture into the Globalbuckets & plant them, as well as get the last of my herb transplants put in.  Hopefully the weather doesn't kill me.  I'm about a month early from our late frost date (May 3).  :D 

Wearing cowboy boots does not make one an agriculturist….Having at least 3 varieties of poop on them does.

1:44 pm
April 28, 2010


little

Chicago IL

Banty

posts 5

I am starting a container garden this year ( very small scale due to space restrictions) but here are my thoughts….

I want a variety of herbs and will probably plant those in window boxes, a pepper assortment and for those im gonna try the Topsy Turvy planters that most places around here are carrying this year I read online that peppers grow bigger in this hanging planer since the plant itself doesnt have to fight gravity as much ( who knows probably a marketing gimick but we will see Bug Eyed) also strawberries…. in a "strawberry fountain"  pots of different sizes stacked and strawberry plants in each… again an experiment since i dont have much space…. and Finally a Top Hat Blueberry bush…. it is a special variety that does not grow too big and is perfect for growing in a container.

Has anyone tried any of these varieties of planting or plants themselves?

2:02 pm
April 28, 2010


KateS

Super Chicken

posts 599

I've not tried them but I'm very interested in anyone's experiences of those topsy turvy things.

I keep wanting to get one for my inlaws but so far what I've heard is they are a pain…

any good word??

4:03 pm
April 28, 2010


little

Chicago IL

Banty

posts 5

Well…. KateS I will try anything once. so we will see how it goes. I will let you all know how planting, watering and everything goes… but maybe someone else knows about them already??Bomb

4:07 pm
April 28, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

Admin

posts 7628

I would think someone has tried them…….they're for sale everywhere!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

4:10 pm
April 28, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

Admin

posts 7628

I have tried the upside down planting…..in a planter, not the topsy turvy, with not good results — 1 or 2 tomatoes on a long spindly plant with not many leaves.  But I have seen some use the white 5 gallon bucket method and that worked.

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

4:10 pm
April 28, 2010


blueberrylu

Michigan

Mighty Chicken

posts 201

A friend of ours planted their tomatoes in one of those upside down hanging things and they did not like it at all and they didn't have a great crop either.

11:39 pm
April 28, 2010


Miss Judy

West Central MO

Superstar

posts 1075

Yep! Been there, done that with the Topsy. Poor results. They dry out so quickly. My Hubby said he could water them twice a day and they would still be thirsty. The tomatoes were small and knobby. However…he says he's going to try them again!Laugh Maybe it was just a bad year. Oh well, we over bought on tomato plants anyway.

We didn't try peppers in the Topsy Turvy but I did try them in a container. I planted the "Mini Yummi". These are the small sweet yellow, red or orange ones you can sometimes get at Aldi's or Wal-Mart (not the bell shape but the tiny slender ones). I love them in salads or stuff them with chicken salad or cream cheese as appetizers.They were great. I bought some plants again this year.


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