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11:33 pm
August 19, 2010


Ruthmarie

Northern CA

Mighty Chicken

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Since my raised beds are a limited space, I didn't plant the everyday onion this year … I went for the leeks and shallots since the cost of those are 2x to 4x a yellow onion if compared by weight.  Not a bad choice although even the inexpensive onion is taking a cost jump this year thanks to horrid weather everywhere.

Leeks are going great guns and, since they can overwinter in my area, I'm pretty pleased with the near 80 leeks that are pencil to thumb width already.  The crux of my posting question is whether anyone has planted and harvested shallots before.  I planted 24 chubby bulbs and about 20 made grew into wild-hair nests of chive-like shoots.  They've now died back and I uprooted one batch today to find about 10 pinkie-sized small bulbs where there once was one.

Sigh.  Okay, I can see no shallot eating for this season and I imagine I'll replant, ummm, maybe 200 (holy cats!) new little bulbs, but what do the little dears WANT to turn into fat, lovely diceable treasures?  Does anyone know?  I will say that if they keep replicating like wild bunnies I'll never have to buy sets again ….. I'd just like to be able to eat a sizeable bulb.  Thanks!

8:38 am
August 20, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

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posts 7626

Did you plant these last fall so they over wintered as well?

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

10:45 am
August 20, 2010


Ruthmarie

Northern CA

Mighty Chicken

posts 279

No, I very sensibly followed the #@^&%! directions on the package of the sets sold at the big box store which had me plant them in spring (there are growing issues with these directions) … let me guess, like their bigger globe cousins, shallots do better with a lonnnng start?  Any idea on what additions make 'em happy?  How about the bed?  Satin sheets, mint on a fluffy earth pillow?  I gave them cow poo but am wondering if they're holding out for more …. besides a long winter's nap.

12:11 pm
August 20, 2010


BuckeyeGirl

N.E. Ohio

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I think they will grow alright if you plant them early enough in the spring, but yeah, they do best if planted in the fall.  I don't know if just leaving them where they are, letting them die back and mulching them to see what they do next year would be a good thing or not… I'd say it depends on how much room you have.  Even if pushed for space I might try it with a few just to see.  I swear they have someone just print whatever they want on packaging and if they don't know they just guess!  This just reminds me that it's best to look things up ahead of time in several places!    Gotta love it!  

If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a

smoothie?

12:53 pm
August 20, 2010


Ruthmarie

Northern CA

Mighty Chicken

posts 279

I was thinking back in spring, in the heat of shoving goodies into the soil and the bag of sets was in hand, the silly fools offering instructions knew what they were yowping about in print.  Keep in mind, I'm only into the second year of intentional backyard gardening so was still a trusting fool now morphing into a retail cynic.  This morning I've done some web searching and have found that shallots prefer a very, very fluffy pillow to nest in and, in order to grow fat and sassy, need to be planted just to the tip of the bulb and NEVER ever mulch as the weak dears don't want to expend precious energy flailing to the top of the heap.   This is contrary to the bag instruction which said bury to about 2 inches which, by shallot enthusiasts, is preferred if creating NEW bulbs for sets.

Despite the fact enthusiasts call shallots easy, one truly needs the royal list of housekeeping rules to keep the little princesses happy.  A veritable feather mattress of soil, no covers please, and bed them for a winter's nap.  Now I need to figure out where to build a castle bedroom (raised bed) for the fall planting and still keep DD (darn dog) from digging an apparently empty stretch of lovely dirt.  He loves his well-seasoned bones.

4:40 pm
August 20, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

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posts 7626

And they like fertilizer, too!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

7:23 pm
August 20, 2010


Ruthmarie

Northern CA

Mighty Chicken

posts 279

CindyP said:

And they like fertilizer, too!


 

Honestly, is there any fruit-bearing plant out there that doesn't like cow poo, chicken poo, rabbit poo, horse poo? … there is quite a list of poo to delight the vigorous appetite of veggie plants.  So far that appears to be the big thing I did right by the first planting of shallots but now I'm looking forward to next year.  And I appreciate the chime-ins of suggestions, thank you!


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