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6:04 pm
February 5, 2012
OfflineI am so excited! I have decided today to start a small herbal garden right on my porch. It's a a small space, but I am going to tap into my creative side and make the best out of it. Since this is going to be my first time gardening, I am going to start with herbs (don't want to go to over the top). Once those grow in I will move on to bigger and better things like lettuce, tomatoes, kale. Everything is going to be organic of course. So this week I will be taking a drive to a organic nursery in the next town over and see what I can find. Any suggestions? I would love to hear experience and "NOT TO DO's" from other members in this forum. What advice can you all give me in regards to organic gardening/growing herbs…
6:49 pm
April 20, 2011
OfflineEven though we have a regular garden space I always grow my herbs in containers on our back deck. Our herbs don't survive through the winter because we are at 3,000'. I have two wooden (oak) wine barrels. They come in halves. For plants I cheat a little by getting the next size up on the starts. The barrels are deep enough and retain the moisture well. Smaller containers in our hot summer climate have to be watered way too often. I can go outside on the door and pick what ever is needed, nice and handy. Herbs do need a lot of sunlight. Not sure if your porch is covered. In Florida you should be able to start with the smaller plants and be able to have your herbs all year. They can get large and some of the herbs need to be pruned back each spring.. Some like chives can later be divided and you can start new or share with someone. I usually have rosemary, tarragon, chives, parsley, thyme,, (love lemon thyme), basil and oregano. We grow dill in a large row in the garden for pickling. Know I am forgetting some of them. I love putting in a few flowers for color, too. Herbs are easy to grow. Hope this helps. Good Luck and enjoy.
7:18 pm
February 5, 2012
OfflineI am going to build a sort of "bookshelf" suitable for my porch size. I will be using vertical planter, so I can have more space to grow. My questions is though, how much is too much. I have a list of herbs I like to grow, let me share them with you:
- oregano
- basil
- cilantro
- lavender
- purple passion flower
- peppermint
- chamomile
- lemon thyme
- marsh mallow
- vitamin greens
- spinach

10:14 pm
February 8, 2009
OfflineA while back, when Suzanne was still on the other farm and dreaming of a barn…there was a barn made out of pellets…then somebody posted a link from a girl who had only a small balcony and she grew quite a lot..she had a pallet attached to the wall and strawberries and herbs grew out of it…very need (and smart)
Of course I don't know the link anymore…but somebody else might.
10:16 pm
February 8, 2009
Offlineo well that was easy..all I did was type balcony garden with a pellet and there it was LOL
Look here, I think what really is nice about this idea is that every plant gets enough light.
http://lifeonthebalcony.com/ho…..-a-garden/
10:23 pm
November 11, 2010
OfflineGenerally, herbs are easy to grow and being in FL, you should have a great climate. Mint families always need to be contained or they will be invasive. Basil needs to be pinched back regularly to keep it from going to seed. You'll see the little heads develop. Pinch them off as soon as you see them. Books by Phyllis Shaudys are good, but may be out of print. Try Amazon for Herbal Pleasures, I think is the name. It was a great starter reference for me and really the only herb book you may ever need. Enjoy!
11:19 pm
November 9, 2010
OfflineI would echo what mamajoseph as said about mint. Several years ago I planted a small raised bed herb garden in my backyard. I did not do my research and planted several varieties of mint. After a few season, I had mint everywhere. It took over the whole container, jumped it, onto the lawn and SPREAD. Eventually had to break up the raised bed and destroy the whole thing. For years afterward I literally had a lawn of mint. Every time I mowed the lawn in that area, it smelled great. I no longer live there, but often wonder what the new owners think when they mow that part of the yard. I would only plant mint now where nothing else will grow. In a hedge row or some other place where you don't mind if it goes crazy. I would not recommend any kind of mint for small patio/porch gardens.
8:36 pm
February 5, 2012
OfflineI've been reading Mother Earth News website and following this blog to get this project started. I am taking the drive to the organic farm on Friday. I reconsidered adding the bookshelf and I decided to go with a 3 tier metal shelf rack from home depot. I got it for 20 bucks. So that beats having to build one from scratch.
Especially since the rack will allow sunlights and water to reach all the plants during the day. I am going with everything organic and I want to grow enough herbs to have available for when I cook. So I figured each plant having its own pot. But my question is, does some of the herbs keep growing back? The packets of seeds have from 50-100. Do I plant them all? I don't know…![]()
Thank you Flatlander for the advice, I have been browsing life on the balcony as well.
@ Bigchicken—What if I grow mint in its own individual pot instead of mixing it with other herbs???
8:51 am
July 29, 2009
OfflineSome things to consider, more along the subject of container gardening rather than herbs in general. Medium (whatever you're gonna put in your container to grow your plants in) in a container does NOT work the same way as gardening in the ground, or gardening in raised beds. I'll try to give you the basics here, but my best advice is to thoroughly read this thread at GardenWeb's Container Gardening forum: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/f…..64.html?11
I know it may seem like a bit much, but the OP REALLY knows what he's talking about.
So the basics are, there are certain things that always happen when water moves through a medium. What those things are depend mostly on the size of the particles in a medium, and how the medium is contained. A key concept to understand is "wicking." When water "wicks," it is drawn through the medium by capillary action. If you are gardening in the ground, all the soil surrounding your garden (in effect, all of Mother Earth) functions to "wick" the water from the surface, where you're putting it, down deep to where the roots of your plants are, and beyond. But if you garden in a container, surrounding your medium with walls, you no longer have the whole Earth to draw your water down through your medium from the top. So you have to rely on gravity.
Unfortunately, gravity is a tricky thing. If the particle size of your medium is very fine, on a very tiny level, the attraction of the water to the particles becomes greater than the pull of gravity, and the water can't move freely through the particles. This results in "perching," where the water drains through your medium until a certain point, then stops. In a 10" pot, depending on the size of your medium, this will be somewhere between 1 & 2" from the bottom of your pot. If you could cut the pot in half from top to bottom, you would literally see a straight line horizontal across the pot about 1" up from the bottom, where above that line the medium is wet, and below it the medium is completely dry. The old adage about putting gravel or pottery shards in the bottom of your pots to allow for drainage doesn't work, it simply moves that perch line further up from the bottom of the pot. You'd still see it 1-2" from the bottom of your medium.
You can do an experiment where you take a styrofoam cup, and fill it with the medium you want to use in your container. Now sprinkle water over it until the medium is soaked. Then punch a hole in the middle of the bottom of your cup with something, and see how much water runs out. Then, take something organic (best is like a bamboo skewer), and gently slide it up into the hole until the tip of the skewer reaches the middle area of your cup. See how much more water runs out? You've encountered the Perched Water Table (PWT), and allowed the skewer to act as a wick, drawing the water down and through your medium!
So why does all this matter, you ask? Well, if the water in your container is perching, instead of draining away, it sits in your medium, around the roots of your plants, and literally suffocates/drowns them. Most herbs (and pretty much any plant that's not aquatic) don't like "wet feet," and if your medium doesn't drain properly, your plants will at the very least, not thrive. At the worst, they will die. (I've found this one out the hard way, I'm afraid.)
So how do I keep water from perching in my containers? There are numerous things you can do, rising in expense & complexity. The simplest is instead of having a single drainage hole in the bottom of your container, make multiple holes around the perimiter, about 1-2" up from the bottom, depending on the size of your container. The next simplest is to use the single hole in the bottom of the container, but put a wick through it. Let the wick extend from the center of your medium to several inches outside the container. Highest recommended is a strip from a rayon mop, followed by 1/4" diameter cotton rope. Wicks will only work if the end that is outside of the pot is actually touching Mother Earth. The most complex, and expensive (relatively speaking), but also the most versatile, is to create a potting mix that has a large enough particle size that it won't let water perch. I'll let you read for yourself in the Container Gardening thread some of Al's recipes for a mix like this. Typically they contain Sphagnum Peat, Perlite, and Pine Bark Fines.
I can tell you from personal experience, that this is the best all around solution I've ever found. I gardened herbs & veggies successfully in containers (ranging from Homer Buckets to whiskey barrels to kiddie wading pools) using these concepts & methods. Sorry to get so long-winded, but I find it's better to teach principles rather than practices. :)
10:07 am
February 5, 2012
OfflineWow! Thank You for the information. I will surely take this into consideration and let you know how it all comes along. I will definitely be looking more into this for the next few days. I had no idea, but it completely makes a lot of sense.
10:49 am
December 17, 2011
OfflineI thought I would throw my .2 cents in. I have been reading and studying Mel Bartholomew's square foot gardening. What a great concept and so much easier than the cumbersome work of row gardening. I have been to his Facebook page, his website, and yes, I bought his book. Now I am scrounging up scrap wood to build garden tables for my herbs and converting my existing raised garden beds to square foot gardening. If this concept helps me to optimize my garden space and time, I am allllll for it. His concept takes the whole gardening to a new level.
8:56 pm
February 5, 2012
OfflineDoes anyone know about the "wicking system" is it necessary?
9:05 pm
July 29, 2009
OfflineIt's only necessary if you DON'T use a specially formulated well draining mix for your containers (like Al's 5-1-1 mix). It's helpful, but if you have a good mix, it's not necessary. Miracle Gro & a couple others make a potting MIX (not to be confused with potting SOIL), but it, to most accounts, doesn't seem to do as well as a home-made mix like Al's. See the link above for Al's recipe.
9:36 pm
February 5, 2012
OfflineI am feeling a bit overwhelmed. It is my first time gardening and I am gong to the organic nursery tomorrow to pick up the soil and seeds. I want to make sure I get the right soil to get the most out of my organic seeds. I just don't want to go down there and be throw left to right by the sales person and spending too much money. I was planning on purchasing the pots, soil, seeds, and maybe some organic something to spray my plants. I feel like I am going to over there and buy 12 different seeds, a bunch of soil, a couple of extra things they recommend and throw at me. And drive all the way home still missing stuff to complete my garden.
10:00 pm
July 29, 2009
OfflineWhen you go, tell a salesperson exactly what you wish to do. Ask if they can recommend a good organic potting mix (I think Fox Farms has one). Make sure to tell them that you don't want moisture control. Or, if you're up to making your own, buy sphagnum peat, small perlite, pine bark fines (sometimes sold as a soil conditioner, you want pieces that are about 1/4" square) and a small amount of garden lime. It's not daunting, I promise. If you get a good quality potting mix, you'll be fine. :) The awesome thing about gardening is that if you screw it up, you can always get more plants. It's a learning process, and we (or at least I) typically learn by making mistakes. You'll figure out what works for you, and for your plants & the location you're putting them in. The two best sources of information I can recommend are the Container Gardening & Herbs forums on Gardenweb.
11:18 pm
February 22, 2010
Offline1:29 am
January 21, 2011
OfflineBoy, my gardening last year was a bust. I was so gun-ho and it all got eatten by the deer here.. and what ever other critters came by. I put out spoiled milk, human hair, bars of soap, and sprayed fox urine (or something to that effect) and planted anise, and something else that name is escaping me at this moment, and nothing kept the deer from eating my plants. I think I'll leave the gardening to you all with the experience and buy mine from the farmer's market. 
8:20 am
February 15, 2011
OfflineYes, if you don't fence, deer are a real problem. I do square foot gardening, next to the chicken pens, so the fencing only needed to be on three sides. I see deer every morning out of the kitchen window. Usually it is two does and their three fawns, who are now almost as big as the moms.
I am planning to break the rules and use Round Up around the edges soon. I can still crawl around and hand pull, but it is not worth it, since the weeds just come back. They have gradually encroached. The side next to the chicken pens has some very weird looking plants sprouting. What is in chicken feed, anyway?
The square foot dividers are just bamboo poles tied together in a grid and sitting on the soil inside of the box.
Outside of the boxes, there is heavy duty Sears cardboard (free for the asking) on the ground, covered with pine bark mulch from trees that were ground up. If anything tries to root there, it is so easy to just pull it up.
After 3 years, it is still pretty clean of weeds except around the edges, which calls for the RoundUp. I leaned bamboo poles against the south fence and grew beans last year, and that worked fine, but, it sure takes a lot of beans to make a potful, so probably won't do that again. Might do goards. It is a shame to waste such a nice fence.
Outside of the X gates, there are roses and flowers on each side. The whole thing is only 24 ft x 24 ft, but produces all we need and enough to share. It is easy to water and easy to maintain. It was a LOT of work creating it, two of us and two helpers who put up the fence posts and built the gates, but worth it since it is so satisfying to look at and to use.
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