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Square Foot Gardening
March 3, 2009
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CindyP
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Has anyone ever heard of this Square Foot Gardening book by Mel Bartholomew?  I got a thing in the mail today to send back a card for 21 day free-preview…….. it says by doing things his way, you don't need to thin, hoe or pull weeds, water much, grow in winter and only use a trowel, spade, and watering can for tools……………

It sounds too good to be true……………I was wondering if anyone has seen the book or heard about it?

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 3, 2009
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Cindy , I have a friend who is using his book. It's working great for her, she has plenty for her family of 4  although she doesn't really have enough to do any canning. She says if you use his suggested mix of (1/3 compost 1/3 vermiculite 1/3 peat) it can be a little costly,but she doesn't have to work to hard at gardening and loves the fact that she grew it herself.

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March 3, 2009
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so it's the soil that's the secret?

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 3, 2009
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I have the original book – 1981 version – that was issued to go along with the PBS TV series by the same name. I just checked and Amazon has "The All New Square Foot Gardening" – 2006 version – for $11.99. I also have "Cash from Square Foot Gardening" – 2000 version.  Amazon has it for $17.95 — interesting because my original copy has a $9.95 suggested price. That's inflation for you.

The "Cash from Square Foot Gardening" book has the basic information found in the other book, with additional information on how to grow and market your produce from a farmers' market to a health food store or a local restaurant. Interesting to think about.

Thanks for reminding me of these books. Many of the tips that apply to raised bed gardening are useful in any situation. These books were an inspiration when my only vegetable garden was a 1' x 4' box with a trellis where I grew a tomato plant, lettuce, radishes and carrots.  Here's a funny story to tell on my son who was 4 years old at the time (he's 38 and a bachelor now).  The carrots in my box grew green and bushy tops and looked wonderful and healthy. I couldn't wait to see the carrots. Neither could my son. The box was just outside my front window. I was in the living room one afternoon when I heard him tell his friends that he was growing carrots. I peeked out just in time to see him pull up a carrot (still tiny) show his friends, and then put it back in the hole. It didn't grow any larger (after severing the roots!) but the top stayed nice and green. I got back at him. While I was waiting to move to my farm last year I moved in with him and turned his entire back yard into a vegetable garden!

March 3, 2009
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very interesting on the pricing……thanks for looking it up for me!!  this offer i got (if i choose to keep the book) is 4 pmts of 7.49 + shipping…………….that over $30!!!

I was very interested in the concept because my garden is 9    3' x 4' raised beds………

and Kathy, that was very extreme revenge for 1 carrott!!!!  LaughLaughLaughLaugh

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March 3, 2009
10:53 pm
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He's a good kid, and very tolerant of his mom — plus he loves fresh green beans and tomatoes. When I moved I left several dozen quarts and pints of beans for him.

March 4, 2009
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If I remember part of the concept of square foot garden is to plant closely and companion planting.  Daddy would always plant the garden in long rows and plants about 10 inches apart, thinning if necessary.  SQ FT doesn't agree with that, if you plant close you don't have many weeds.  But some veggies can't be too close they need room, like beets and carrots.  Kathy those pictures are beautiful.

I ordered lettuce seeds yesterday, can't wait to dig in the dirt.

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March 4, 2009
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I started two square foot gardens last year, each four feet by four feet.   I didn't read the book… just different articles from around the web.  The tomatoes grew great, until the hornworms moved in… I got to them too late… even with picking them off three/four times a day, the damage was done.  I had trouble getting the cucumbers and zucchini to set fruit, but from reading different gardening sites that seemed to be a real problem last year.   I did a bit of companion planting… putting basil beside the tomatoes… the basil did great until the summer heat got it.  Same thing with the lettuce.

I'll be trying square foot gardening again this year, even thinking about adding a couple more 4X4 boxes. 

Sunday, I checked the Square Foot Gardening book out of the library… so this year I might even follow those instructions.

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March 4, 2009
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I thought I would go check out the library first to see if they have it, then if I really need to have it, I'll buy it from Amazon……..

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 5, 2009
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Ha!  I knew the internet would have it!!!

I get emails from Instructables, which had Urban Homestead Garden which takes you step by step, but she was using the Square Foot Garden where if you read Mel's columns, it basically has the book.  He still refers sometime to certain page #'s, but if you read enough and go through FAQs, I think most of everything that could be in the book is……..enough for me!!  His first book talked about amending soil, where now he just uses the compost, vermiculite, and peat like Deb was saying above.  He also talks about growing vine plants (squash, cukes, etc.) vertical !  Talk about space saving…….

This is a very good concept, using all available space, which saves time and money.

I already have the boxes set up, I am going to do the SQF method this year and add a few beds in the front – maybe grow some vine plants vertically – that'll make the neighbors wonder what the heck I'm up to now!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 6, 2009
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Cindy you can check half.com for the books. Sometimes you can get some good deals there. But I'm with you free from the internet is better.LOL

March 6, 2009
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I'm all about free!!

I know things were always done a certain way, but I'm sure there is an easier way to do things.  Soil has always been worked up because it was poor soil and compacted…1/3 of this soil is compost (which I have alot of in my compost bins) which is what you keep adding in when you harvest or to fill the boxes back up when they compact down – you only buy the vermiculite and the peat moss once (and I have a friend who works at the local Country Co-op store -- discount!)

SQF gardening is like taking the lasagna gardening one step further with the spacing of plants to get more harvest out of a small space (which I have!)

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 6, 2009
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OK I'm in! I have planted my tomatoe seeds in egg cartons and some acorn squash too. The squash was just breaking soil last night and is an inch tall this morning! I wish tomatoes were that fast. Now I have to get John on to making and filling those beds. I want them 3' x 6or 8'. I think I will get about 4 or maybe 5 of them. and about 2' apart for walking space. Gotta get some more seeds started.

March 6, 2009
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Yes!!  That's it exactly, Mary!!  What did you use for the grid?

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March 6, 2009
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Cindy,

I use 1" lath pieces from Lowes. They are about 6 feet long. I cut them to fit, laid them out and then used the drill to screw them together.  They are just laying on top of the soil so I can just lift the whole thing out to till the soil or add amendments for the summer season, then lay them back down.  I have drip irrigation going to each square with an adjustable tip so I can vary the amount of water based on what's planted there. It really is a nice system.  I looked long and hard for my raised boxes and finally settled on these made out of recycled wood and plastic.  They were easy to assemble and should last a long time.  I am so anxious to get my summer garden going.  I have so enjoyed eating what we've grown and I always have fresh greens for the chickens and goats.  Everybody is happy!

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March 6, 2009
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That is beautiful Mary! So Im guessing the concept is one plant per sq foot? Or does it depend onthe plant? I just need the basics, and I hate to read! Unless its here of course!

And husband just called to see if I needed anything from home depot. I told him 12 2x12's 8ft long. That should make me 4 beds. that was my math for the day.

March 6, 2009
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they don't need to be 2x's, 1x's would do……..are you going to be using the soil he suggests?  if so, they only need to be 6" high!  that would save a lot of $$$ on lumber!

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March 6, 2009
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GeorgiaZ said:

That is beautiful Mary! So Im guessing the concept is one plant per sq foot? Or does it depend onthe plant? I just need the basics, and I hate to read! Unless its here of course!

And husband just called to see if I needed anything from home depot. I told him 12 2×12's 8ft long. That should make me 4 beds. that was my math for the day.


I took this from the website………..  also, did you see my message about the boards, georgia?

HOW TO SPACE PLANTS IN A SQUARE FOOT GARDEN

Extra Large
Large
Medium
Small

1 Plant

12 in apart
Broccoli
Cabbage
Pepper

4 Plants

6 in apart
Leaf Lettuce
Swiss Chard
Marigolds

9 Plants

4 in apart
Bush Beans
Spinach

Beets

16 Plants

3 in apart
Carrots
Radishes
Onions

Once you have your square foot grid in place, this is the easiest way to learn the perfect spacing for all your plants.  All plants, vegetables, flowers, or herbs, will fit either 1 – 4 – 9 – or 16 plants per square foot depending on how big they get.

Look in the Square Foot Gardening book for the correct spacing of all the vegetables or just figure it out from the seed packet directions.

    1 per square foot: plants that are thinned or planted 12 inches apart.

  4 per square foot: plants that are thinned or planted 6 inches apart.

  9 per square foot: plants that are thinned or planted 4 inches apart.

16 per square foot: plants that are thinned or planted 3 inches apart.

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 6, 2009
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Darn, I called and he already got them. So maybe we can cut down the middle and have twice as many! We are getting free compost so that will help a lot there.

March 6, 2009
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yes you can cut them in half………you'd have a great garden!!  you can put them right on the grass, no need to dig the grass up, just line with cardboard or newspaper to kill the grass under the soil……..

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