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9:19 am March 10, 2009
| Shells
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I am going to try a garden this year but I need help ladies.
What, in your opinion, is the perfect way to set up a garden bed? Raised or not?? If its raised, what do you use to make it raised? What about soil, what do you find is the best growing mixture? What about dimensions? Is it easier to garden in a long narrow garden space or a square garden space??
I have all sorts of room to put a garden in so space isn't a concern. Mostly I need to know how to construct the garden areas.
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10:00 am March 10, 2009
| CindyP
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Mine preference is a raised garden bed……they can go anywhere without doing anything to the soil, just cardboard and newspaper on the bottom to kill out the grass, fill with soil and plant!!
Because of this, I'm doing the square foot gardening………..
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“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.” ― Alfred Sheinwold
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11:15 am March 10, 2009
| Mo olelo
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If I had a choice and space wasn't a concern… I'd just dig up a patch of ground. We did that when we lived on our acreage in Alberta. I liked having nice long rows of veggies and hills and hills of potatoes and my row of sweet peas. I liked the way it looked and especially liked being able to move about between the rows. And we always had a great garden.
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2:56 pm March 11, 2009
| monica
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We have a fairly square garden, not raised (even thinking about having the garden lower and making hills to facilitate drainage, without adding tap water). We have found that the rows are better for plants like lettuce and carrots, but there is never enough seed to make the whole row. Those types all go into one or two rows and then there are some that remain and then they have a bit more room to spread out as the plants mature.
Before you start investing a ton of money into soil amendments–buy a soil test kit or take a sample to your garden center and they can help you. They can help you determine the type of soil you have and be able to tell you how much and the proper kinds to get. Keep in mind too what you want to grow–some like acidic soil, while others require alkaline soil. Happy gardening!!
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My budget plan is NOT getting a cart when I go to the store.
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6:23 pm March 11, 2009
| anni
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Shells my brother in law built raised beds for my sister out of old railroad ties.
HTH
anni
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7:52 pm March 11, 2009
| Mo olelo
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Anni, since your sister's garden is already built… she may have found a way to work with her garden or perhaps your brother-in-law lined the ties with a barrier of some sort but if someone is just starting out… railroad ties are not recommended for use in building gardens in which vegetables or fruit trees will be grown. The creosote in old railroad ties can leach into the soil over time and contaminate any food grown in that soil.
From the little bit of quick research I did… in many areas, old railroad ties can't even be sent to the local landfill, but have to be disposed of as a hazardous substance.
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5:02 pm March 12, 2009
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Ah…just what I wanted to talk about. Absolutely true about the railway ties so what does one use? I live in boggy foggy Nova Scotia – thinks get way damp here. I want a raised bed for lots of reasons but what to use as siding. Maybe just get the hardware from Lee Valley and keep putting in new 2 x4's every year…
must clean up office for son's guitar lesson. later…
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5:20 pm March 12, 2009
| CindyP
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I found 18 bushel boxes that farmers take their produce to processors with and cut them down to 2 boards high (11") TOTALLY FREE!! ……… but you could use 1" x 6" boards attached to 4x's cut diagonly to fit in corners…… or if you have a supply of field stone and some boys that would do the hauling, make the sides out of stone
 
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“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.” ― Alfred Sheinwold
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4:10 pm March 13, 2009
| Mo olelo
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Hello labanan, welcome to a fellow Canadian. Hubby grew up in Nova Scotia, but we are living in the States now.
Anyway, for our square foot garden beds, we used 2X6s that we bought from our local Habit ReStore. They sell used and surplus building supplies at a fraction of the cost of buying it at a hardware store. I'm not sure where in Nova Scotia you are, but I checked the Habit for Humanity website and it says that there is a ReStore in Dartmouth.
Hubby cut the 2×6s to size and screwed them together at the corners as that would hold together better than using nails. I painted the outside (not inside) so that the boards would look nice and last longer. If I remember, it cost us about $10 for two 4'X4' garden boxes not including the cost of the soil to fill them.
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5:15 pm March 13, 2009
| GeorgiaZ
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We used 2x12's that are treated to last. Like something you would use building a deck. Its what my dad started with over 25 years ago and his are still in use.
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5:36 pm March 13, 2009
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Thanks Cindy and Mo!
I'm not far from Dartmouth so that would be perfect. And I'm going to ask at the market tomorrow and see if I can any of those produce boxes.
Thanks again!
Jan aka la banan
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1:08 pm March 29, 2009
| betbrech
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I have had railroad ties aroung my garden for 30 years with no adverse effect to me or my family. The ties do help form a barrier for the bermda grass in our lawn. But then I put the ties around my garden long before anyone thought of "hazardous substances". It is amazing we all lived so well and long with all these "hazards" around us! 
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8:00 am July 1, 2009
| Runningtrails – Sheryl
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I have built some garden things, cold frame, with untreated wood and have found that it will last, even in damp ground, for 3-4 years before being so rotten it has to be replaced. I am going to build a retaining wall for some gardening and am using old cedar posts and rails from fencing. If you can get them, the cedar will last a lot longer than ordinary wood.
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Sheryl
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providenceacresfarm.com
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1:20 pm March 9, 2011
| gakaren
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Shells, what are you hoping to do with the produce from your garden? Just feed a few folks fresh things for the summer, preserve some or a lot for winter or sell at a local market?
Depending on what you expect to do…that would determine the size of space you need.
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2:26 pm March 9, 2011
| Window On The Prairie
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I had to laugh at the title of this topic. I've had veggie gardens in different places where I've lived for the past 20 years, but have never had the "perfect" garden. Nature makes sure it doesn't happen. But I have had the best luck with with just having the soil plowed up to start, mulching plants with straw when the garden is all planted to keep down weeds and hold moisture, and plowing or tilling it all under in the fall. Also, we add a load of well rotted manure in the fall. Good luck!
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3:40 pm March 9, 2011
| hershiesgirl
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Window On The Prairie said:
I had to laugh at the title of this topic. I've had veggie gardens in different places where I've lived for the past 20 years, but have never had the "perfect" garden. Nature makes sure it doesn't happen.
Boy, ain't that the truth! If its not the heat, its the rain. If its not the rain, its the bugs. If its not the bugs, its a fungus or virus! :)
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7:57 pm March 9, 2011
| gakaren
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I couldn't figure out how ANYONE was going to have a "perfect" garden!
Some of my "garden" will probably end up mixed in with some of my flower beds! That works for me!
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11:58 pm March 9, 2011
| bonita
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We used recovered railroad ties to make a surround/barrier under one of the bird feeding stations. It kept some of the seed hulls and other debris from escaping into the rest of the yard. Nothing grew under the ties, but there was no shortage of volunteer plants willing to nestle up to the trestle! However the first few yeatrs we used them, they strongly smelled of creosote.
Across the way from the bird station, the downstairs gardener laid out a raised garden using what our local Eager Beaver/Handy Andy called "landscape timber." It was treated in some way to delay deterioration. We made necessary joins with through and through railroad spikes (detect a theme here?). Those timbers were effective for nearly 12 years! They looked a bit like 3 x 5's…that is, they were larger than 2 x 4s; they had beveled corners. We didn't even bother with a layer of newspaper at the bottom and filled the space with a mix of soil from high points in the yard and a couple of truckloads of 'black earth' which we here in the Midwest can sometimes find for wail outside the edges of the city.
By no means perfect, but quite fine nevertheless!
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8:44 am March 10, 2011
| Heather B
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I definitely recommend square foot method, even if you plow up a rectangle and section it into square feet. I find it perfect for lettuce and spinach, because you don't have to have that many seeds. You can make several smaller beds, one large one in any shape you want, anything.
The soil depends on what you're working with. If you have good soil you can just plow it under. To tell, when it's not wet or dry out, squeeze a handful. If it clumps, too much clay. If it falls apart, not enough organic matter. If it holds and then breaks apart easily, good stuff. In any case, lots of organic compost will take care of it sooner or later, but in clay, a raised bed is your best bet. Put lots of compost in those, too.
A trick for weed control is, plow your plots, let them sit about 10 days or so to let the weed and grass seeds sprout, them till them under. You'll have a lot less problems with weeds coming up through your mulch. Mulch deep. Don't walk on the planting areas, you don't want to compact the soil, and you don't want to till every year because you'll unbalance the good bacteria in the soil, and kill the earthworms. Speaking of which, wait until it's pretty dry before you till, because the worms will be deeper in the soil and you won't end up with clods of hard pack mud.
For raised bed, cinder blocks are ugly but they're cheap and work great, and you can fill the holes with soil and plant flowers in them to make the garden prettier. Also they heat up during the day and hold the heat longer in the soil at night, which has always helped me to get veggies earlier and keep them longer. This year, though, I'm going right into the ground, because it's a new yard and I don't have money to buy soil. Also, composite lumber is much safer than treated and will last a long, long time so it's worth the money, BUT, cedar is a good option for natural wood that will last quite a while.
A raised bed will also help if you have a bad back, and if you're keeping your garden in that place for a long time, you may eventually have a bad back and be glad you built raised beds! lol
Save yourself money and health, and don't use chemicals. There are SO, SO many other options, and in a home garden you usually don't ever need to use chemicals. It's not that much space to deal with. Lots of compost will feed the garden. Rotating crops is important. Companion planting is a good thing if you feel like reading up on it. There are so many things you can spray on the plants that aren't chemicals if you need to.
Have fun gardening!!
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10:34 am March 10, 2011
| MaryB
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Heather, will plants (like bulbs) come up thru the mulch, and do the cinder blocks kill what is planted in them when the summer heats up?
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