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When do I mulch my veggie beds?
May 28, 2011
10:13 am
mamajoseph
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I am using spoiled hay as mulch. When should I put it on? I have one bed left to plant and I'm wondering if I should put it on as soon as I plant the seeds or wait until they are coming up? It's hard not to smush them with it after they come up. But then, if I put it on before they sprout, will it hinder that? We have year round seasons here, so weather/timing is not the issue. I'm 1 degree above the equator so it's 12 hours day/12 hours night, all year round with not much change in temp either.  This seems like one of those dumb questions. Thanks for your help, as always.

PS – In addition to when to mulch, should I also cut the hay into small pieces or just leave it as is?

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May 28, 2011
11:37 am
hershiesgirl
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You can mulch any time, but I would not apply more than about 1/2 to 1 inch (loosely)until the seeds sprout…they need the warmth and sunshine to sprout! Mulch should normally be 3 to 4 inches thick. If you have your seeds planted in rows, you can lightly mulch the rows, heavily mulch inbetween, then re-level it out or add more mulch after things are growing well.

As for big mulch or small mulch, that is a matter of personal preference. The smaller the mulch pieces, the faster they will break down. The smaller the mulch pieces, the easier it is to keep it neat and tidy looking. It is the thickness and density of the mulch that holds in water, keeps out weeds, etc. so its up to you depending on your gardening style, how much "order" you have to have, and how much time and energy you want to put into that mulch project. :) Good Luck!

May 28, 2011
12:20 pm
Journey11
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Since your weather remains consistent, you just have to wait until they're up and growing.  Other folks would have to wait until the soil warmed and the days were consistently above 70 degrees or else it would make the soil too cool (even for transplants) and slow their growth. 

Boy, I wish I could garden all year round!  sun  Lucky you!

 

I use spent hay too.  It's the one thing I can get for free.  It's good because it will pack tightly and later break down and improve your soil texture.  I like to lay a few sheets of wet newspaper down first to help block out the weeds.  It makes it easier to pull any grasses that sprout from the hay too.  Hay that has been cut at the right time shouldn't have gone to seed, but sometimes a few sneak in there.

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do , do it with thy might… (Ecc. 9:10a)
May 28, 2011
4:14 pm
Miss Judy
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Journey11, you answered my question before I even asked it. I wondered if weed and grass seeds would pop up if I used old hay. My FIL always said to use straw because there would be less weed seeds. The newspaper tip should help. Thanks!happy-flower

May 28, 2011
4:17 pm
mamajoseph
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I was hoping I could mulch right after I plant the seed and they would just push up around/through the hay. Because I worry about damaging the plants as I'm trying to shove the hay all around them. I'm doing square foot gardening, so no rows, just lots of little squares. I think I'll put a thin, loose layer now, and then cut some up to add around the plants as they come up.

Thanks for the tips. Yes, it's great to be able to plant any time I want and not be bound by the seasons.

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May 28, 2011
5:07 pm
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In order to answer your initial question, I would have to ask what the purpose of the mulch is!  If it is to keep down the weeds, if you use enough to do that, it will also keep your veggies from germinating. 

In order to add mulch to young plants they must be of sufficient size to be taller than the depth of the mulch and they must have a stem thick enough so that any stray bits of mulch that get too close to them do not cause the stem to rot.

Have never done much mulching in a vegetable patch beyond doing path runners and such to keep down the weeds between the rows.  Or, laying out wide strips of black plactic into which little X's are cut, then young tomato, pepper, squash, etc plants are sunk into the ground through those cuts in the plastic.  (I suppose the same technique could be used for hills of beans and such as well.)

My familiarity with square foot gardening being extremely limited, this may be of no use whatever to you.  But the principals are the same as with any gardening, right?  The nature of plants and what they need to mature aren't any different!

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May 28, 2011
10:54 pm
judydee
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When adding mulch around young plants, I find it helpful to first cover them with a flower pot (upside down) or even drinking cups.  Whichever seems to be the best size to fit.  Then I can fling the mulch whichever way, right up to sides of the pot, and when I lift the pots, the little plants are unharmed.  Thought this might be of some help.

May 29, 2011
4:17 am
mamajoseph
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The purpose of the mulch is to help with water retention and weed control.

I love the tip of covering the little plants with a cup and then mulching around that. Because the plants are so close together in this scheme, it makes mulching without banging the tender plants harder. This is a great solution, thanks for the tip! Weeding is fairly easy, as the soil is so loose, and things are easy to reach. You can weed one side of the box while sitting on a bucket, then move around and get the other side.

Anywho, I'm going to cover those little plants with a cup and THEN fling the mulch. Great idea.

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May 29, 2011
7:28 am
Runningtrails - Sheryl
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I mulch between the rows right away leaving the planted row or spots open. I put cardboard or newspapers down first between the rows too. The I wait until the babies are growing well before mulching around the plants. I usually have to do one careful hand weeding of the seedlings after they come up, then apply mulch around them.

I have used old hay for mulch and it works well.  Now I use shredded computer paper. It cheap and free and I have a continuous source of it. The small stuff is a great mulch. The bigger stuff blows away. Paper and cardboard are wood products, so they use up nitrogen as they break down but I always add a lot of manure to counteract that.

It's WHITE so it looks kind of odd at first, but it keeps the garden neat and tidy. It's also a lot lighter and so less harmful when just thrown around.

I live sort of near the commercial district at the edge of town. I drive through there on recycle pick up day and get bags and bags of shredded paper and cardboard. It's also a great chicken litter. Being a wood product, it uses up the nitrogen from the chicken poop as it breaks down, preventing the build up of ammonia. Something hay and straw do not do. Dry, fall leaves do this too. They make a good mulch, as well, if run over by the mower first.

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May 29, 2011
3:52 pm
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Oh, the flowerpot or beverage cup idea is just super!  It's one of those so simple, why didn't we ALL know that already!!   happy-flower

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May 29, 2011
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Pete, I can't take credit for the idea, but I learned it so long ago now that I can't give proper credit for it.  Have used the tip for years now.  Hope that passing it along will help others too.

May 29, 2011
8:50 pm
hershiesgirl
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Journey11 said:

Boy, I wish I could garden all year round!  sun  Lucky you!

 

LOL Be careful what you wish for! We FL gardeners have a sayin' —

The good thing about FL is that you garden year round.

The bad thing about FL is that you garden year round.

:)

June 2, 2011
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langela
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I also use the cup/ bucket idea over the plant when spraying weeds in my flower beds. It's especially helpful if it is windy. Then you can spray the weeds right up next to the plant without hitting the plant.

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