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11:49 am
December 4, 2009


BuckeyeGirl

N.E. Ohio

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TXLadiy's link to that fabulous looking recipe is in the Recipe Links section! 

If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a

smoothie?

6:32 pm
December 4, 2009


Farmgirl wannabe

Mighty Chicken

posts 166

I have been baking Grandmother Bread using some whole wheat flour, some Best for Bread flour and about 1 cup of all purpose flour and dough enhancer.  I would like to add some rye flour but am not sure how that changes things.  I don't necessarily want a heavy rye loaf…just a nice light rye.  Would I exchange some of the whole wheat for rye? and then leave everything else the same?

7:40 pm
December 4, 2009


Pete

WV

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skeller – I have not tried making rye bread from the GM B recipe, but might I suggest that you look at the pumpernickel recipe to see if it might help answer your question?

I HAVE done the pumpernickel and just adore it, even though I am not really a big rye bread fan.  http://suzannemcminn.com/blog/…..kel-bread/  especially with the raisins.

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7:56 pm
December 4, 2009


Farmgirl wannabe

Mighty Chicken

posts 166

Actually, I have made the pumpernickel rye with caraway seeds and also with raisins.  Both were very good but even though I used three T of dough enhancer and baked them utiil they sounded hollow and registered 200*  on my instant read thermometer they came out a little too dense for me  and slightly sticky.  So, I thought I would like to try a lighter recipe still using rye.  I am relatively new at this bread baking and have made several loaves of the Grandmother Bread with some whole wheat and love it.

8:15 pm
December 4, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 7875

We will be interested in the results of your experimentation, for sure!  I don't mind a dense bread so would probably start with reducing the white flour and leaving the whole wheat flour amount unchanged.  Liking a less dense loaf, you might want to reduce the whole wheat flour instead of the whilte flour.

Let us know how it goes!

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

8:27 pm
December 4, 2009


Farmgirl wannabe

Mighty Chicken

posts 166

Okay, I have a plan.  I will use 1 c. rye, 1 1/2c. whole wheat, 1 1/2  c. best for bread flour and lastly 1 cup of all purpose only as needed.  I keep my flour in the freezer so will pull out and measure tonight and make it in the morning.  I will let you know how it goes.  As you said, this is truly an experiment.  I used to be terrified of the thought that something might not turn out…but I am excited to see what develops!  Thanks for you encouragement.  Sandra

8:58 pm
December 4, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 7875

All part of the joy of the process!  You get to make your loaves exactly how you want them, and we get to share what we learn, even with our vast differances.  It's all good!

Even if the loaves you make tomorrow are not exactly as you want, they will be soooo much better than anything you could buy at the store.  Then next time you can tweek the proportions just a little bit until you DO find what pleases you most.  Then again, tomorrow's trial may be just exactly what you are looking for!

Looking forward to hearing the results!   Happy Flower

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2:43 pm
December 5, 2009


Farmgirl wannabe

Mighty Chicken

posts 166

Pete, the bread was a success!  The Grandmother Bread recipe is awesome.  You can play with it and it still comes out.  I can't imagine going back to store bought bread. 

3:02 pm
December 5, 2009


TXLady

Mighty Chicken

posts 111

Isn't it amazing how fast you become addicted to the pleasures of baking  (and especially eating) homemade bread.  My friends all think I'm nuts to go to the trouble of baking our bread and rolls and buns.  I think they are crazy that they don't.  I posted a Honey Wheat recipe that was moved to the recipe files and it is fabulous, probably my favorite bread.

3:49 pm
December 5, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 7875

Sooooo glad to hear it, skeller!     Shimmy

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4:14 pm
December 5, 2009


CindyP

Hart, MI

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Great to hear, skeller!  I love Grandmother Bread because it's just so versatile…….it has the basics and you can roll from there!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

9:16 pm
December 6, 2009


Farmgirl wannabe

Mighty Chicken

posts 166

Has anyone mentioned how wonderful this bread is when prepared as French Toast?  I used an egg, splash of milk, brown sugar, nutmeg, and vanilla.  After cooking it in my cast iron skillet I sprinkled with cinnamon and sugar and drizzled with warm maple syrup.  Well, a little more than a drizzle.  It is about a thousand times better than made with store-bought bread.

9:48 pm
December 11, 2009


BuckeyeGirl

N.E. Ohio

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I just accidently made the most wonderful loaf of bread I have ever made in my life.  My primary goal was to make Overnight Cinnamon Rolls to bake in the morning, and to share with a neighbor.  She’s always very kind to us, bringing dinner if she knows I haven’t been feeling well, sharing bakery and fruit just because she wants to share, especially blueberries which she knows my dad loves, and I certainly don’t need to make a whole pan of rolls for just the two of us, so I wanted to share with her too.  So… I made a two loaf batch of dough, because well, why not?  Two small pans of cinnamon rolls and a loaf of bread right?

Ok, I started the yeast, salt and sugar in my old glazed earthenware bowl (my paternal G’mother’s) which I had sat out to warm on the back of the stove earlier.  I knew I wanted to use some extra sugar, and one of the few measurements I am sure of is I used 8 Tablespoons of sugar.   I used two eggs and 2/3 cup of canola oil too, and then got to work on getting the flour ready.  I pulled down my canisters of flour, and saw I was very low on all purpose, not so bad… I have plenty of bread flour so I started with 2 cups of each whole wheat, all purpose, and bread flours.  That’s 6, and I had only one more scant cup of all P, so I used that and added another cup of whole wheat, then made up the rest with bread flour… I –think- I added at least another whole cup of the bread flour too but by then I was kneading it in totally by look and feel.  Oh, I did use 5 Tablespoons of Suzanne’s dough conditioner, the best stuff on the planet BTW!!!  I am very sure of that measurement too.  I thought 6 Tbls was too much, 5 might have been nearly too much, but I did it anyway, and it worked out well so there you go.

My problem is…. What if I can’t do this again???  I LOVE this loaf of bread!  I want to preserve it in the Home Baked Bread Hall of FAME!!!  I don’t think I’ve ever EVER made a better loaf of bread, and I want to be able to make it over and over!!!! 

I’ll have to get back to you about the cinnamon rolls, which for I used 2 Tablespoons of butter, around ¼ cup of sugar, 2t of cinnamon and about 4 ounces of orange marmalade for the filling.  That will be another story for tomorrow morning!!!!

I don’t know if I’ll have happy dreams about this loaf of bread or nightmares about never being able to reproduce it.

If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a

smoothie?

6:49 pm
December 13, 2009


JoJo

Super Chicken

posts 778

Smiley Puppy

 Hello–I just purchased a new bread machine (oster) my old one pooped out, and I am unable to knead bread in the standard fashion. The booklet calls for bread flour and dried milk. Does anyone know if I can use regular flour and milk in my machine? If you have this machine and used regular flour and milk, I would appreciate your help.

                        Thank you.

                          JO                        

Happiness begins within yourself

7:15 pm
December 13, 2009


CindyP

Hart, MI

Admin

posts 7627

Jo, you can use any recipe in any bread machine.  You don't have to follow what that book says if you don't want to.  If you want to use milk, just take away some of the water.  Bread flour just has more gluten in it.  I've never used bread flour.  Just make sure to check the "stickiness" of the dough after it's mixed up some.  It should feel like a sticky note.

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

12:19 pm
December 14, 2009


JoJo

Super Chicken

posts 778

Smiley Puppy

  Thank you Cindy–I want to ask-we use 1% milk, can I use that alone with no other water, and also, I have a sack of bread flour I have had for a while, it is in the sack and inside a plastic container (approx. 1 yr), do you think it is still ok to use?

                                      JO

Happiness begins within yourself

12:26 pm
December 14, 2009


BuckeyeGirl

N.E. Ohio

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posts 3992

I use 1% milk too and I almost always at least increase the amount of milk vs water when I use it.  I'd try it myself, both using the milk that way AND using the questionable flour.  As long as it doesn't smell rancid (which it could do depending on circumstances) I wouldn't waste it and t'll probably turn out at least ok,  and if it less than ok, there's always breadcrumbs or croutons! It sure won't hurt anyone IMO.

If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a

smoothie?

7:25 am
January 20, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

Admin

posts 7627

Suzanne, what are the measurements of your glass bread pans?

I've been making the 1 loaf recipe of whole wheat bread and I'm getting 2 loaves from it.  So, all I can figure out it is, you have HUGE loaves of bread!!!  The first time I made it, I put it free form out on my stone.  It ended up being 14" long and at least 8" wide!

I do use 1 cup of white flour and 3 cups whole wheat flour.  Does the dough enhancer let it raise more?  Do I not need as much dough enhancer?  It is really a light and fluffy loaf of bread.

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold

7:52 am
January 20, 2010


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 7875

Here's where Suzanne discussed her bread pans.  Maybe this can get you started in answering your questions, Cindy:  http://suzannemcminn.com/blog/…..sin-bread/

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

8:09 am
January 20, 2010


CindyP

Hart, MI

Admin

posts 7627

I saw that………..one of my bread pans is an old casserole dish I guess it would be (Mom always made bread pudding in it) and my other one looks like Suzanne's wider one and these 2 loaves are turning out HUGE from her 1 loaf recipe!!!  I think my question is about the dough enhancer……..should I really be using 3 TBL?  I know the enhancer is to give a lighter loaf.  That's about all I know about it.  Is it giving something more?   Or should I just leave well enough alone and get 2 loaves out of 1?  Probably that……….but I'm not sure what's giving such large loaves.

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold


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