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Basic Bread Questions
December 4, 2010
7:59 pm
Sher in Ky
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Oven, from floor to top is 15".  Four racks.  The rack was placed second from the bottom, about 6" off the floor.  If I place it on the third from the bottom, that leaves me about 6" from the top -- very tight fit for the top.  I almost need to place the loaf pans on top of maybe two inverted iron skillets to put it right in the center. If I do that, will that become a problem?  Would I need to put the skillets in while the oven is preheating, or put them in cold with the bread?

I'm going to try making french toast with the bread for in the morning, but I think it's going to the birds.

December 6, 2010
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mammaleigh
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Oh dont let it go to the birds!! There are some many things that you can do with it. That would be perfect for stuffing or croutons!!!

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December 7, 2010
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Sher in Ky
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Yeah, frustration clouded my thinking.  I've pulsed it in the food processor, added garlic powder, seasoned salt and parsley and stuck it in the freezer as seasoned breadcrumbs.

December 20, 2010
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You can use a cooling rack and some bricks to make small adustments in oven rack position.

My bread recipes always are based on weight of total flour and liquid is always a percentage of the weight of the flour. Most often about 64 per cent liquid.  Under 60 per cent makes a rather dry dough and over 68 per cent makes a rather wet dough. I sometimes use a pre-ferment for a rustic bread. my baking temperatures are rather high generally above 400 degrees and for the very wet doughs as high as 475. I sometimes use loaf pans but more often bake on a sheet or on a stone handling the loaf with a peel.

December 20, 2010
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I've been wondering if the oven temp fell too much when you opened the oven door.  I heat my oven to 425*, put my loaves in and then turn the temp down to 350*. 

p.s. To keep my oven's temperature more even, I keep a pizza stone on the bottom rack of the oven at all times. 

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December 20, 2010
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Ross
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I started making bread in 1958 and have continued to this day.  The early days it was plain white bread from a Betty Crocker cookbook. I have since acquired a few more bread making books. I have found that temerature affects the rise times for bread but not the actual extent of the rise. House temps as low as 68 degrees will still allow a good rise but it may take all day. I have never used a bread machine so I can't comment on them.

sometimes I will mix equal weights of ww flour and water with a quarter teaspoon of yeast and allow it to ferment for 24 hours and use that plus a tablespoon of yeast for my ww and yeast for a batch of bread finished with white flour and salt. That method brings out the flavor of the wheat. My summertime breads rise much more quickly than my winter breads because my kitchen is cooler.

December 21, 2010
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Helen said:

I've been wondering if the oven temp fell too much when you opened the oven door.  I heat my oven to 425*, put my loaves in and then turn the temp down to 350*. 

p.s. To keep my oven's temperature more even, I keep a pizza stone on the bottom rack of the oven at all times. 


I've been keeping a stone in mine as well (it's round and very hard to find a place to store anyway!) and have noticed a much more even baking.
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December 21, 2010
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Hi, CindyP.  Yeah, I've noticed the more even baking, too.  And you know what?  I think it saves money on the gas bill, too. 

p.s. I love making bread.

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December 24, 2010
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I made a batch of dough for dinner rolls today. The flour was at room temperature and the liquid was warm to the touch but not hot. After about four hours the dough had a proper rise and the temperature of the dough was 75 degrees. The room temperature was about 72. The thermometer was on the same table as the dough. Does bread dough heat a little as it ferments?

December 24, 2010
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I'm sure that it does, Ross.  I have noticed how dough will warm up as I knead it, and I'm sure that its not just from the action kneading, although maybe that contributes, but that its also from the life process of the yeast.

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December 24, 2010
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Ross: the simple answer is yes.

For the chemically inquisitive——

 

The yeast activity can be described as
glucose  + Yeast —> carbon dioxide + ethanol
or
(C6H12O6) + Yeast —> 2 CO2 + 2 CH3CH2OH + heat
During the reaction, the carbon bonds of the glucose/sugar are broken.
Chemical bonds store energy.
Therefore, when chemical bonds are broken, energy is released,
in this case the energy released is thermal energy (heat).
(it is possible to calculate the amount of energy/heat given off,
but that seems a bit too much for Santa!)
December 25, 2010
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Thanks Bonita, Believe it or not I understand that perfectly.  Fermentation will not be denied.

December 25, 2010
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Five pound of dough made 6 dozen rolls. I cut 3x6 inch triangles and rolled them starting from the wide end.

 

Merry Christmas!

January 4, 2011
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About 4:30 today I was done with trying to make a living and since we were out of bread started a batch. I keep my flour in the freezer because I use poultry fat for pastry and biscuits an it will melt quickly in your hand. never the less that was my open bag, so I used that. Measured the flour and calculated the water and used very warm water and whisked it in just a little and added the yeast and salt. The kitchen is about 74 degrees and the dough was on the table. About 7 pm I shaped the loaves and let them have their final rise and put them in the oven at 8. They came out fine. You could think that i babied them all day.

February 6, 2011
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Lots of info!  I'm going backwards with my breadmaking.  Last year (late winter) I did my first G'Mother batch and the two loaves were perfect!  Since then I do two more batches every four days.  The loaves have been getting denser (more dense?).  I switched to my KitchenAid to do the mixing and now the bread will rise well but seems to fall during baking (I get a large bubble of air when it's done).  I've checked yeast age, water temp, oven temp, rising temp and am out of ideas.  Any thoughts?  My guys love home made bread!

 

(I take the 'bad' loaves and make bread crumbs so no waste.)

 

Thank you all!french

February 6, 2011
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Ross, you're telling your age now. lol 

Other than rolls, I make my bread in my bread machine.  It does just right for me and my hubby. 

February 6, 2011
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MrsObe….I haven't quite figured out how the weather and/or seasons impact all this, but I DO know that my breads have a greater tendancy to fall when I let them rise a little too long rather than a little too short a period of time.  Am guessing that the larger the "holes," the more likely the bread is to fall.  Doesn't happen every time, especially with the more rustic loaves, but the lighter, more refined breads I now watch VERY carefully and make sure they do not over rise before baking.  We really don't mind all that much because they still taste just fine, but they aren't always pretty!

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February 6, 2011
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watching the ball game . I will get back to this in a couple of hours.

February 6, 2011
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MrsObe…

How long in the mixer? For some reason, I'm thinking someone said something about too long mixing did something to their loaf……..

I second Pete's opinion……If left to rise too long the second time, the air bubbles will grow so much that the structure of the bread will collapse and make for a dense brick loaf of bread.

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February 6, 2011
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Ross
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Pete, you may not be building enough tension in your loaves. Try flattening the ball of dough and rolling it and then turning it 90 degrees and flattening it and rolling it in that direction and forming the loaf. It makes a stonger gluten viel around the dough.

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