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Cheddar cheese failure
February 15, 2011
2:09 pm
yotetrapper
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This is my second attempt at making cheese.  The first time I made cottage cheese and it came out great.  This time I was trying cheddar, but, I got the milk/starter/renet mixture up to 110 degrees before it solidified, and then, it never did.  It got too hot quick, and then wouldnt come back down.  It looked somewhat solidified but when I attempted to cut it the curds just "melted" back into milk.  Any saving this, or is it chicken food?

February 15, 2011
4:12 pm
Suzanne McMinn
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You got it up to 110 after you had added the starter and rennet?  I don't know which kind of cheddar you were making–farmhouse, stirred-curd, or traditional cheddar–but either 86 or 90 is the temp where you add the starter and rennet.  You shouldn't be heating the pot at all while the curds are setting–you heat it up, add the starter and rennet, then turn the heat off and cover the pot and let it set while the curds coagulate.  About an hour later, your curds should be ready to work with.  Mesophilic starter is killed by temps higher than 104.

Clover made me do it.
February 15, 2011
4:53 pm
yotetrapper
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I was trying to make the farmhouse cheddar from your blog.  I got it up to 110 but I wasn't trying to.  It was at 90 when I added the culture and 90 when I added the renet, but I had the pot in another pot of hot water (like a double boiler) and when I checked it a couple minutes later it was 110. I didn't even have the flame on, and I didn't realize the hot water would heat it up so quick.  Ok, so my starter is dead, thanks for the answer.  Guess the chickens will get this batch and I'll try again next week and watch it closer.

February 16, 2011
1:53 pm
Leah's Mom
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Once your temperature is at 90 (or target temperature for recipe) and you have added the renet, you can take the whole cheese pot out of the base pot of water.  

Just sit the cheese pot (without the water  pot)  on your counter.  The temperature in the liquid usually stays pretty constant during the period of time it takes for the curds to set.  Depending on the air temp in your kitchen, it may drop a degree or 2 but that is okay and preferred to having it raise too high.  Definitely a simple fix!

Good luck with your next batch – and please update us and let us know how it goes!

February 17, 2011
11:42 am
Suzanne McMinn
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Yes, same here, I have no trouble holding the temp in the cheese pot while the curds are setting up.  Just put the lid on and the milk will hold the temp for an hour, easy.  It might drop a degree or two but that doesn't bother it.  You're supposed to use a double boiler, but honestly I don't.  I have a gas cooktop.  I heat it up directly on my cooktop and with gas, when you turn it off, it's off, not still holding so much heat like an electric burner, so I just put the lid on and leave it to sit.  If you have an electric burner, you'd probably need to move it to sit on a cold burner or something, just to get it away from the ongoing heat.  Same with the double boiler, even with the heat turned off, the hot water in the boiler is continuing to heat the pot.

 

Don't feel bad, though, I've had tons of incidents involving temperature problems.  It took me a lot of practice, and some self-restraint, to learn to get the temperature just right and be patient with it and tend it.  Distraction is a cheese killer!

Clover made me do it.
February 17, 2011
12:13 pm
Ross
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A covered pot holds heat very well. Sometimes when I make a pot of chili I bring it to a boil and take it off the stove and onto the table and cover the lidded pot with an old winter coat. It will stay too hot to hold your hand on for several hours.

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