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Cheesemaking
March 3, 2010
7:49 am
CindyP
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Ok, I'm on the cheesemaking wagon after Suzanne's mozzerella post this morning!

I've found some interesting information on the difference of using pasteurized/ultrapasteurized milk in cheesemaking.  UP is heated to a temp of 191-212F for various times and is recommended not to use!  The curd does not form correctly.  Anything below 191 if considered just pasteurized.  But anything above 174F can cause problems when making mozzerella.  I wonder if this was part of your and Missy's failure the first time, Suzanne???

I found all this information at New England Cheesemaking Supply where Suzanne orders her ingredients from.

Cheesemaking & Milk

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List of milk suppliers (by state) that their customers have found to be good for cheesemaking

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 3, 2010
1:57 pm
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That's right, you can't use ultra heat-treated milk in cheese.  But that's not related to what happened with that.  The ultra milk is labeled.  I don't know if they even have any around here as when I first started making cheese, I looked at the labels to see if any of the brands had it at the store here and I didn't find any.  (They're required to label it.)

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March 16, 2010
7:20 pm
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I made ricotta cheese tonight!!!  It's amazing how different it tastes than what you buy at the store!

I did find that you can use canning/pickling salt (which I have a big box of) if you don't have cheese salt.  It just needs to be non-iodized……….

 

Next up……..mozzarella!  I have all the ingredients for that, but figured I should get the ricotta under my belt before attempting!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 16, 2010
7:58 pm
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Yea for you and ricotta cheese!!! Isn't it the most wonderful feeling to make something rather than buying an inferior product at the store?  As a society we have given in way too easily to commercialism.  I made lard yesterday and used it tonight.  I felt empowered (a little dramatic here, but you get the idea).  I hope you have many cheese success.

Sandra

March 16, 2010
8:02 pm
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It IS very empowering!

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 16, 2010
8:17 pm
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Congrats on the step into cheese making, Cindy!

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March 16, 2010
9:28 pm
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That's wonderful, Cindy!  I love making cheese.

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March 18, 2010
11:16 pm
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Quick question, and sorry if it has already been addressed…I am planning to make cream cheese and  just got my butter muslin and direct set starter…then I went to buy some half and half…all five different brands that I found had "ultra pasteruized" on it.  Did I read that you shouldn't use the u.p.? Another question, does it matter if you use mix one qt. fat free with one qt. regular?  I guess that is two questions. Looking forward to making my first batch.

Thanks–Sandra

March 19, 2010
12:04 pm
Suzanne McMinn
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Don't use the ultra-pasteurized!  Re the fat-free, only if your recipe says you can use it. Cheese recipes are specific about the type of milk.  I've never made any cheese with fat-free.  Do you have a cheesemaking book?

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March 19, 2010
12:15 pm
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I don't have a book yet, I was going to try the simple, basic, cream cheese recipe you posted.  Do you have brand names of half and half that is not u.p.?  Fat-free is not a big deal to me, I burn calories in a big way.  I was just curious about the f.f.  I could not find any half and half that wasn't u.p. Perhaps I will find it at a health food store.

March 19, 2010
12:19 pm
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Suzanne used the Walmart Great Value brand in her post about cream cheese.  That evidently works!!!

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March 19, 2010
12:26 pm
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I went to several grocery stores but didn't think of Wal-Mart since I rarely shop there.  I will give that a try.  Thanks so much.

 

March 19, 2010
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A good health food store may be able to put you onto a good source as well, if they do not have it.

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March 19, 2010
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Okay, I went to WalMart and found another half dozen brands of half and half, including their store brand, Great Value…all were u.p.  So, I went ahead and got it…then I came home and checked the pictures on Suzanne's recipe.  When I print a recipe I don't include the pictures.  So, I found the right page and looked closely and saw that the Great Value brand in the picture says ultra-pasteurized in small print.  I am going to assume for cream cheese that it does not make a difference.  Help me out if I am wrong about this.  I am easily confused.Moo

March 19, 2010
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That's hilarious, you're right!  It does say that!  I just checked my Great Value whole milk and it is NOT ultra, and I must have assumed the cream wasn't either.

 

I'm now here to say–you can use the ultra, LOL!  Because I have been (moron that I am) using that brand to make cream cheese with no problem whatsoever.

 

So much for that book learnin'.

 

 

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March 19, 2010
2:17 pm
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Maybe it can (and obviously does) work for the soft cheeses? It may just take longer to set up. But not for the hard cheeses. The link that's up top UP Milk shows the difference in curds when using UP vs normal milk.

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March 19, 2010
2:25 pm
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This has been too funny.  I will try the cream cheese this weekend.  This is the end of my spring break.  The last time I was on site regularly was Christmas break and the snow days when school was cancelled.  So, I will let you know how the cheesemaking goes, but I bet I will fade away once I get back to my work schedule.

Thanks so much for your help, and the comic relief!!!

March 19, 2010
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Glad to see that I was not the only one confused here!     Surprised

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March 19, 2010
2:52 pm
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Good luck on your creamcheese, Sandra !!

 

And please don't fade away too far………….No Summer break will be here before you know it! Yes

“Learn all you can from the mistakes of others. You won’t have time to make them all yourself.”  ― Alfred Sheinwold
March 19, 2010
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I just double checked the Great Value whole milk I have and it is not ultra.  Whole milk is what I use in hard cheeses.

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