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Help with pressing the Queso Fresco
February 21, 2011
1:03 pm
mamajoseph
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HELP! After being in the press for 6 hours, my Queso Fresco looks like it's not really pressed. Looks more like a bunch of separate lumps of playdoh globbed lightly together. Does that make sense?
- What went wrong? no

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February 21, 2011
1:27 pm
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One possibility is that you might have inadvertently heated the curds to too high a temperature. When that happens the whey can't be properly expressed from the curds and the curds don't knit together well.

February 21, 2011
1:45 pm
mamajoseph
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Curd temp was never raised above 95F which is the temp called for in the NEC recipe, so don't think this was the problem. Thanks so much for this piece of information, though, as I did not know that. This is quite the learning curve for me.

- Any other ideas?

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February 21, 2011
5:03 pm
Leah's Mom
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Could you give a little information:

Cow or goat milk?

Raw or pasteurized?

What is your mold size?

What kind of press are you using?

Which recipe – from Ricki Carrol's book or a different one?

Mother's maiden name?

Okay, forget the last one.  yes  But any info you can give will be good!

February 21, 2011
6:57 pm
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Two more possibilities that I can think of offhand:

If the temperature was raised too quickly – more than 2 degrees F. every 5 minutes – the curds could also develop a skin that prevents proper whey drainage and knitting together.

If too much weight is used at first in the pressing stage, you'll also end up with a hard skin that can prevent the curds from knitting. You might apply too much pressure even when using the correct weight if the pressure isn't applied evenly on your curds.

Other things to think about:

Did you cut the curds into about 1/4 inch cubes? The size of the cubed curd affects the drainage, which affects the pressing.

Was the cheesecloth wrapped evenly? If it bunched up unevenly in a thick wad on top, this could cause the pressure to be applied unevenly. (Can you tell I did this once?)

The NEC book recommends packing the mold firmly for most hard cheeses – maybe your mold was packed too lightly?

NEC also says that in most cases the curds must not be pressed before their temperature has fallen to 70 degrees F, although no reference is made to letting the curds cool in their Queso Fresco recipe, so that probably isn't the problem. 

Are you using goat milk rather than cow's milk? If so, the temperatures in the recipe should be reduced by about 5 degrees F.

February 22, 2011
1:16 am
mamajoseph
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I think I was careful with the cheesecloth, but maybe…or maybe I packed it too lightly…and I did not let the curds cool to 70F before pressing. I did use cow's milk so followed those temps. I did get the curd temp raised in the proper time (this time) and got them in 1/4 inch pieces. I found it odd that it had you press at 35 pounds iimmediately rather than a lower pressure at first and after reading another recipe for QF, I think I might try it differently next time.

- Do you cool your QF curds to 70F before pressing and do you press at 35 pounds immediately or do a light pressing first?

Thanks!!!

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February 22, 2011
10:43 am
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Here are some thoughts for you.  Usually when you have a cheese where the curds don't knit well, the problem of reaching temperature too quickly during the “cooking” process is the problem.  BUT – from what you are saying, that is something you were very careful about. 

 

Judging from what you’re writing, and being familiar with the recipe I think you used, there is one item that isn’t very clear in that recipe that will affect how your curds knit:

 

-If following the “Home Cheesemaking” recipe (Ricki Carrol), after draining the curds (step 7) they will be a bit “matted together”.  Before adding the salt, gently break the curds up with your (very clean) fingers so that they are about the size of quarters or a bit smaller.  When adding the salt, sprinkle it over the broken up curds and mix it in lightly with your (very clean) hands to distribute the salt throughout the curds.  Then proceed to step 8, allowing them to rest at 95 for 30 min.

 

If the curds aren’t broken into relatively uniform size at this step, what you have is a huge hunk of curds that don’t have the salt evenly distributed which can also result in uneven draining of the curds and the condition you described in your original post with the cheese staying in “hunks” and not knitting together properly.

 

Some other things to note – You mentioned that you’ve seen another recipe you might consider using and some questions regarding weight when pressing.  When making queso fresco I also had a different recipe that is almost the same but with a few differences that I follow that have been very helpful.  If you would like, I can send that recipe to you in PM.

 

You mentioned press weight – Yes, this CAN make a difference in how the cheese knits and it is one of the major changes that I utilize when making queso fresco.  If you press at too high a weight initially (for any cheese), it also can cause the curds to seal in such a way that not all the whey can get out resulting in poor knitting and a sour cheese.  When pressing, here are the steps I use:

 

10 lb for 10 min.  Remove from press, unwrap cheesecloth, flip cheese over, rewrap w/cheesecloth and return to press.

20 lb. for 1 hr.  Flip, rewrap, & return to press (as before).

35 lbs for 6 hours

(These weights assume a 4.5” mold; weights differ depending on diameter of mold)

 

If you press gradually like stated above, it is not necessary to worry about letting the temperature of the curds to be at 70 degrees.  (Also, depending on the cheese, letting the temp. drop that low before pressing can cause other problems.) 

 

There are several other things that I do differently than the “Home Cheesemaking” recipe that I think help this cheese be more successful.  These changes are small, but have good results regularly.  Let me know if you’d like those and I’ll send them!

February 22, 2011
12:39 pm
mamajoseph
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Leah, I would love to have you send the recipe by PM. And let me say how grateful I am to you all for taking the time to help with this issue. This site is a source of great information b/c of the great folks like y'all who are willing to share your experience. Thank you so much! I'm going to keep trying. And I have decided to let it age a few days as I've read that can really improve the flavor.

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February 22, 2011
4:40 pm
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I will need to get that to you tomorrow as I'll be away from computer tonight.  wave

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