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Listeriosis question
October 4, 2011
8:01 am
mamajoseph
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I'm reading about this outbreak in the US and I cannot find information on WHY this happened or how to prevent eating contaminated produce. We wash/soak our produce in a milk bleach/water solution to kill any bacteria that would be on the surface. How does a person ingest bacteria from, in this case, a cantaloupe? Was the bacteria on the outside of the fruit and the interior became contaminated when they cut it? Or would the bacteria be systemic, i.e. would it be in the flesh of the fruit and if so, how did it get there? From using contaminated water or untreated manure on the crops? I can't seem to find an answer to this question on the internet news. Anyone?

Normally, fruit or vegs that are peeled are safe, so this one has me stumped, unless it got inside the flesh from the knife cutting through the contaminated skin when it was cut.

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October 4, 2011
8:30 am
mammaleigh
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http://www.healthcanal.com/inf…..ising.html

 

Ok this is all that I could find and I live state side! I am normally not in control of our TV, my 3 year old has it during the day (so I can clean and get things done) then my husband has it at night. I just catch the news when I can mostly from the inernet. I know in the past when I have bought melons, I dont wash them. I am going to now! I dont think a lot of people think to wash them becuase we dont eat the outside. Thats atleast my story lol.

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October 4, 2011
8:36 am
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Yes MamaJ, I've been paying attention too, and it gets into the flesh of the fruit as you say from the knife cutting through the skin and pushing through as you cut.  Who washes cantaloup skin??? (though my friend/SIL who ran a school cafeteria kitchen has been telling me to do that with melons for years, so the answer to that one is ME now!!  I've been washing other veggies with mild soap etc for years, but cantaloup?  Well, now I'm a believer.

With cantaloup's bumpy skin, wash in mild soap and scrub with a brush too, then rinse well before you cut it.  Also, washing before you peal other fruit too.  It was suggested that using a citrus based soap since there's some acid which helps cut the wax if it's commercial produce that's been waxed, and it's good for general food purposes.  I bet our soap-making friends here will have some suggestions for that too! 

Also, it seems listeria is one of the few things that can stay viable and even multiply in the refrigerator, not to mention spreading if other things come in contact with it.  Scary stuff yeah, but also not all THAT common. 

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October 4, 2011
9:01 am
tsmith
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There is a way to make a fruit wash with vinegar.  I might remember how after I ingest my morning allowance of coffee.

October 4, 2011
9:59 am
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I recall reading … not finding it again this morning (not enough coffee either) … that the long, loooong road much of our food takes from field to table is part of the problem.  By the time it has passed through the hands of collectors, brokers, distributors, grocers, not only is the original source frequently lost but the storage conditions and the handling becomes part of the concern.  It isn't only the condition of the agricultural fields where the product was grown.  Too often it can be long weeks before the cantaloupe or anything else makes it to the grocer as it is shifted from cold storage to cold storage.  Ick.

I've rarely … ah, up to now …. washed melons before cutting but then I've backed away from buying any unless I know they're local or at least from in my state and reasonably fresh.  A small advantage to living in CA is the produce.  I try to avoid buying goods from Chile or marked international … that issue has become so pervasive that I find bagged garlic from China at farmer's section of our local flea market.  A favorite jaw-dropper was the grilled frozen corn from TJ's: picked in WA, shipped to Mexico, grilled, processed, bagged and marked FRESH.  When I questioned the company by email, the reply included that no one would buy grilled frozen corn processed in the states because of the added cost … funny, as the Mexican stamp is now the reason I'm NOT buying it again.  Our food system has deep, increasingly dark issues.  A reason why growing some of my own and buying local is becoming a set concern.

October 4, 2011
11:49 am
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I am that also didn't wash my melons before cutting them.  However, I was starting to rinse the knife off before I made the next cut.  Since I live in one of states that have been affected by the outbreak I will be washing my melons before cutting them.

October 4, 2011
12:24 pm
Bev in CA
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I grew up watching my mother wash everything.  She owned an Italian restaurant.  She even washed chicken, etc.  and patted it dry before cooking.  At 70 yrs. I still do this.  She always said there were many people that handled the product before we finally got it.  I have even rewashed pre-washed spinach and salad mixes.  Even though we raise most everything, I agree with Ruthmarie, it really upsets me when I see produce  from other countries.  Though we as Americans like having things all season.  I want our farmers to be growing and selling to us.  I do think that they mislead us on the packaging because they are getting feedback from us.  I make a point on telling the produce managers that I don't like produce from other countries.  Maybe it will do some good.  I had to laugh, this past winter all the radishes came from Mexico.  How hard is it to grow radishes locally.     

October 4, 2011
12:35 pm
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Thanks for all the information. DH and I discussed whether the many handlers and long transport time, many trucks, multiple storage could have something to do with it also. Surely it contributes as who knows WHAT was hauled in the truck before you shipped the melons or other produce in it. If cows, then cow manure, which carries the bacteria, which gets on the fruit which goes to the store where Jane shops! I will continue my practice of soaking all produce in a mild bleach solution. And I am going to try to source as much locally as possible.

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October 11, 2011
8:07 pm
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We live on the front range of Colorado, not "too" far from the area where these cantaloupes came from (Holly, CO).  

The farm they have traced it back to is a family owned farm, JENSEN FARMS.  It's been in the same family for a long time. At this time they don't know HOW the melons became contaminated – or IF it was only on the outside.  If it's also on the inside, a whole new problem comes in – finding out how that was possible.  It's also possible they were contaminated in shipment.  At this point they (CDC) recommends if you have cantaloupe, and don't know where it was grown, throw them out, wash all area the melons touched.  This recall and warning is ONLY for those from this farm.  The CDC was supposed to release results of some tests today, but I haven't heard anything about it yet this evening.

 

I have to say my sympathy goes out to this family, they have grown melons for many generations, and probably many of us have had cantaloupe from their farm at one time or another.  The end result of this will undoubtedly not be a good thing for this family.  But for all the sickness, and many deaths it's caused, it unavoidable.  

October 12, 2011
9:42 am
mamawolf
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It is a shame about the Jensen's Farm.  Cantaloupe have been grown in the Arkansas Valley for over 50 years and there has never been a problem of this magnitude before.  Why now?  Why just the one farm?  This is devastating for this family and their business which may  never recover.  I hope this is finally resolved for them so they can resume their lives.

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October 12, 2011
10:06 am
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Yes, this is the sort of thing that can happen anywhere, but is hard to overcome.  I hope that testing can prove exactly where the contamination happened so things can be taken care of both for the consumer and the family who grows them.  Some re-branding may help, after really fixing things of course. 

I understand both from what's been said here (thanks for the info jmac) as well as from other reading I've done that this is a well respected and ethical farm, so I have confidence in this case that things will be handled right on their part.

I only wish other producers and mid level suppliers were as conscientious.  

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October 12, 2011
1:16 pm
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The problem is that listeria is ubiquitous in the environment and the infection rate is 7 people per million exposed develop the infection.

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