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Tell me about your cheese press
August 9, 2011
2:26 pm
mamajoseph
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I have this type of spring loaded press -

http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-C…..1c1ddf15dc

 

I find that sometimes I have to turn the handle to keep the pressure up and wonder if this is normal. Today, after pressing my caerphilly for about 6 hours, there was no pressure on it. Not very convenient if you want to put it to press and go to bed.

So, I can see the NEC is a way different type of press. What kind do you have and how does it work? Do you like it? Have you tried other types? Thanks!

I (sorta) have a farm in Africa.
September 21, 2011
11:52 am
Leah's Mom
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The type of press you show is, in my (and others) opinions, one of the worst kind out there.  It is very hard to get correct pressures and a hassle to take apart and re-set when you're turning your cheeses!  Most of us that have been making cheese for awhile question whether the sellers of those kinds of presses have ever made cheese!

When I started out making cheese, I didn't buy any press, but just used direct weight on top of my followers.  I didn't want to put any money into it until I was sure I wanted to continue making cheese!  

After looking around a bit,  the first press I bought was the "Wheeler Press" that NEC sells.  (I'll post some photos when I get home… this is the one with the springs between two top horizontal wood pieces.)  The Wheeler Press has the problem that you have to monitor it frequently to be sure the weight stays constant (just like you stated regarding the press you have).  As the cheese compresses, the springs become longer and the pressure lowers.  The other problem with spring presses is that you only have a guess as to what weight is actually on your cheese.  The little guages are only approximate.  As the springs age, they lose some of their "springiness", and become even less accurate over time.  All that being said, I think the Wheeler Press is a relatively good option for home cheese makers that don't make a lot of cheese and don't mind having to monitor their cheese press for weight.

And now, for the GREAT CHEESE PRESS:
The Dutch Cheese Press is, hands down, the best for maintaing even pressing weights in the home cheese-making environment using very little weight as it uses a lever.  There are a couple of them out there on the market right now that work well depending on the sizes of the cheeses you most often make.  I ended up with 2 different ones to evaluate to recommend for my class students.  One will press up to 200 lbs; the other goes well over 300 lbs for those that are doing larger diameter cheeses.  (Interestingly, the one that presses higher weights costs less….)

One thing that casual cheesemakers often don't realize is that most of the recipes out there state weights assuming the makers are using a 4.5" diameter mold.  When you use a larger mold, the pressing weight needs to be increased based on the diameter.  You might be surprised at how much weight you are really supposed to be applying for the molds you're using!!!!  (I have an "easy cheat sheet" that shows relative weights by mold diameter if you're interested…)

Anyway – if you're interested, let me know and I'll send you a couple links for the presses I've worked with that I recommend!  The prices are also very good for them!

September 21, 2011
12:18 pm
goatgal
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Send the cheat sheet, Please.

 

DANCE AF IS NO ONE IS WATCHING.

September 21, 2011
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mamajoseph
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Well, great information, thanks! I think my mold is a 6" and would be interested in the cheat sheet, as well. I am also interested in the presses you'd recommend.

@Goatgal: Do you know about Texas Daily Harvest? I emailed them to see if I could visit or if they had cheese making classes.  They said they do not have classes, but they did say I could come visit for a work and learn time. I'm looking forward to going once we're back in TX. They are in Yantis.

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September 22, 2011
7:48 am
Leah's Mom
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Okay – sent the "cheat sheet" to each of you via your email! 

Mammaj – will get you some photos on the presses – hopefully before end of day!

September 22, 2011
12:24 pm
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Leah's Mom, I would be interested in the cheat sheet and the cheese press links. I have been told by my aunt that I have to start making hard cheeses. I got her started on it (gave her recipes, and she now makes lots of cheese), now it is my turn.

September 22, 2011
2:01 pm
mamajoseph
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Thanks for sending the cheat sheet!

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September 22, 2011
2:11 pm
Leah's Mom
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Mama – Just sent photos of the Dutch Cheese Presses to your email!

September 22, 2011
3:14 pm
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Then again, there's always this method!  Antique cheese press

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September 22, 2011
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I am VERY interested.  I am a noob and am just in the process of getting my cave ready.  I am going to use my hand crafted super special press I made at the retreat with free weights.  But I love gadgets….it is a problem.  I have a standard 2lb mold coming with the drip tray and that is all I can manage for now.  But I would love the info to incorporate into my brain along with all the other stuff jangling around up there.

 

I'm debating a Weck still, and really have no problem justifying it.  Except that I have boxes showing up on my porch for the next week or so and kind of don't want to explain anymore than I have to right at this point.

Suzanne, Dede & CindyP made me do it...HAHAHAHA!
September 22, 2011
7:09 pm
Leah's Mom
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Buckeye – that is an old fashioned lever press – "off the wall".  It really is a viable alternative!  Uses the same principle as the Dutch lever press except free standing!

September 22, 2011
7:26 pm
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laugh  I know it's viable, I just think I'd like a little cleaner area, a bit less on the pealing paint thing, and a little less corrosion on the washbasin… oh and probably a few less spiderwebs and such too!  help Though, that washbasin isn't such a bad idea! 

I was looking at pictures of all the various sorts of presses though and thought that it showed that there's always ways to get things done!  moo

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September 22, 2011
10:10 pm
Leah's Mom
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Absolutely!  I love the way our "grandmothers" used what they had and made it work.  I also think that "grandma" wasn't running around with a pH meter in her apron (if you know what I mean…) - they learned by having done – and having been around when their mothers/fathers were making the cheeses.  They smelled and tasted and felt…they couldn't tell you the pH or the specific weight, but they could tell when it was ready to go to press and whether to use a "big rock" or a smaller one based on their experience.

I also love that we're re-learning and will be able to pass down to our families (if they want to know)!

September 23, 2011
12:26 am
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   cheat sheets to me please !   Luckily,  have a husband who is very interested as well…

  Ogosh,  I love how knowledgeable you are my dear people !!!

   smiile and say cheese !!!

  laur 

September 23, 2011
8:41 am
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ooohhh!  Cheat sheets…I would love a copy Leah's Mom.. Thanks!!

September 23, 2011
10:52 am
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OK, I'm posting a link to the cheat sheet, but Leah's Mom is going to have to explain it to us!  I saved it because I just KNEW it was useful the minute I saw it, even if I didn't understand it! 

FYI – It was a joke from back where I worked that practically any computer file anyone needed, all they had to do was ask me to track it down because they just knew I had it saved somewhere.  Luckily, I was the IT person too and while I was insistent about keeping files organized and compact, I also could archive them all so anytime anyone needed something I could usually search it out!  I had indexes of indexes of all the old files! smile

Here is the link to the PDF, Cheese Press Weight Chart

Be sure to save it to your own computer if you want it because while I don't have any plans to remove it, and my subscription to Walagata is prepaid for the next year, I'm not going to promise it'll be there forever either!

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September 23, 2011
7:26 pm
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Okay – thanks BG!  FYI, I have a VERY SIMPLIFIED CHART  also that is WAY EASIER to print off, laminate and stick in the front of your cheese recipe books.  Most of you will LOVE the simple chart much better than this one.  I'm going to try to figure out how to file host so I can send a link for that since it is WAY LESS INTIMIDATING and very user friendly.

In the meantime, check the next post for directions on how to use the super-duper chart linked above!

September 23, 2011
7:31 pm
Leah's Mom
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Okay – here's the explanation on the "super-duper" chart.  Hope to be able to post the simple chart soon!  (In the meantime, if you want a cc of the simple chart, pm me w/your email address and I'll send it right out!)

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The above link in Budkeyegirl's post is what called my "cheat sheet" for the cheese press weights.  I printed one off and laminated it to keep with my books and use it whenever I'm making cheese.  I finally made notes in the recipes with the weights for the specific size molds I'm using so I don't have to refer back to it so often!
 
So here's how you use it (First, print one so you can follow along!):
-At the top find the 4.5" follower diameter column.  This column is the standard used in Ricki Carrol's book and most other cheese recipe books out there.
 
-Now find the PRESSING WEIGHT in the left column.  Example:  Your recipe says to press with 20 lbs weight.  Go down to the 20 lbs and over to the 4.5" diameter column and you will see 1.26 psi.  (psi – Pounds per square inch – NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH PRESSING WEIGHT or direct weight stated in the recipe.)  So with a 4.5" diameter mold, you are applying 1.26 psi when you press with 10 lbs of direct weight.
 
-Now find the column with the follower diameter of your mold.  We'll use a 6" mold for this example.  When you go down to the 10 lb. line, you'll see that the psi on the follower when you apply 20 lbs of pressing weight is .71.  But you need 1.26 psi to equal the same pressure you'd be applying to the 4.5" mold.
 
-Scroll down in the 6" column to find the closest psi to 1.26 and then look at the corresponding pressing weight in the left column.  You'll see that it falls somewhere between 30 and 40 lbs on the pressing weight column.  You can estimate it at 35 lbs. or just go to the next highest number which would be 40 lbs.  (You don't need to be to "perfectionistic" about it, just getting in the right area is good enough.)
 
-Therefore, in this example, to exert the same amount of psi on your cheese, when using a 6" mold you will need between 30 – 40 lbs of direct (or pressing) weight.
 
Hope that all makes sense!    Let me know if you have any questions.
 
AND PLEASE REMEMBER…I HAVE A MUCH SIMPLIFIED CHART I'M WORKING ON BEING ABLE TO POST SHORTLY!
September 23, 2011
7:46 pm
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Okay – here's a link to the simple chart.  This one needs no explanation!  I'm also not sure how long this will remain available at this location so open the link and save it on your own computer!

 
I print this one off, cut it down to size, laminate it, then stick it into the front cover of my recipe books.  Always handy and always simple to use.  Again, just round the weight to the nearest number that makes sense.  I left the decimal points on some of them – YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT PRECISE!!!!
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