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Borrowed Milking Machine Help
May 10, 2011
9:35 am
Suzanne McMinn
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Here is the borrowed milking machine:

 

I found where we can print the manual from online.  It's a Surge brand.  It needs the big hose, and it needs a vacuum pump, and some kind of strap to hang it on the cow, I guess?

 

Is this the kind of vacuum pump we're talking about?

http://www.amazon.com/FJC-Vacuum-Pump-3-0-CFM/dp/B0017R95DI

 

The container is HEAVY and that's without any milk in it, so I'm going to have to figure out a way to maybe wheel it around on something!

Clover made me do it.
May 10, 2011
10:02 am
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No advice, but I'd be happy to wish you good luck.  :)

I do hope it is easy to use and clean.  It would be nice to know that one would be worthwhile, even for just one cow.

Good luck!

May 10, 2011
10:23 am
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Hi Suzanne, We have milked with a unit like this and it worked fine. Yes, you will need a surcingle strap and rod to hang the milker under BP's tummy. Here is a place in MI that has them and other parts for Surge milkers. http://www.portablemilkers.com/page/page/1578388.htm

I just found this place online and have not dealt with them but they look like a going concern.

I see they have a Surge Tune-up Kit. Those are all the parts to fix up your bucket and pulsator. At the very least you need new inflations but this little kit will start you out fresh and you will eventually need to replace all these things anyway even if what you have is in pretty good shape and has been used recently. What kills this equipment is having it sit around unused for years. The rubber gets dry and the pulsator parts stick.

May 10, 2011
10:33 am
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What is the difference between wide bore and narrow bore inflations?  I think what's with this one looks like the wide bore?

 

Is the link I posted the right type of vacuum pump?  I don't know anything about vacuum pumps!

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May 10, 2011
10:57 am
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http://www.portablemilkers.com/catalog/item/1576325/5386741.htm

 

That is the least expensive completely system I've seen.  It's a refurbished model.  I wonder if that would be better than trying to refurbish this one myself!

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May 10, 2011
11:13 am
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I agree about that system Suzanne, especially since it COMES with a vac pump.  The pump you linked too is only 3 CFM (Cubic Feet per Min) and the ones listed with most of the milkers are at least 8 CFM.  I don't know for sure but I believe the "surger" unit, which sort of simulates the pulses of a sucking calf or the rhythmic flexing of your hands, need a specific CFM to work with… or a close range at least if not specific.  It may be very possible to find a less expensive one that would work, I know the old one in the milk house (before they built the fancy shmancy milking parlor was a little rickety but still worked.

The portable vac pumps listed on that site are all between $450 – $675 (I think)  the bigger pump with the exposed flywheel, which is actually a little cheaper due to it being less compact and self contained I'm sure would work, if 52 were to build a little enclosed 'house' or box for it so it was very well protected from weather, nesting chickens and ground squirrels and curious goats and calves etc.  and it could stay out in the milk shed for you to plug in at milk times.

//Editing to add// That borrowed one is very much worth refurbishing!  except for the vac pump thing.  If you, or a local farmer friend, or your cousin, or whoever can find a workable vacuum pump, then you're golden!

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May 10, 2011
11:24 am
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Well, if we can't find a freebie vac pump, fixing up the borrowed one could cost as much as just getting the complete refurbished system that comes with one!

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May 10, 2011
11:31 am
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Yep, plus having the more portable pump that comes with that refurbished one would be good, even if you do find a larger more stationary one for the future.  You can still look for a good one at farm sales and auctions.  If I were you I'd be watching for those like crazy!  You can get the milkers and pumps for great prices.  Sad, because some family farm is closing up shop, but no reason for you not to buy at it either.

Having that portable one could easily come in handy, while having a stationary one in the shed means less toting and carrying.  The portable on is still a reliable back up in case BP needs to be milked in some other location for whatever reason.

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May 10, 2011
12:20 pm
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That one looks light and easy to deal with!  It says it can be used on goats, too.  I might call and ask a few questions today………..

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May 10, 2011
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I also have a question about how those of you who use milking machines transport things around?  I'm thinking even with the lighter-weight system, that's too heavy to carry everything!  Especially once there's milk onboard, too!  Do you pull it on a little cart, or what?

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May 10, 2011
1:21 pm
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Hello- The bore on the inflations has to do with how thin or fat the cow's teats are. Jersey teats tend to be thinner than bigger cows,but I saw one the other day who would for sure need a wide bore inflation. We use narrow bore inflations with our Jersey.

You will never need another milker unless you are going to milk more than one cow at a time. They call them portable but that just means they are smaller units. Ours is bolted to a little iron cart with 4 wheels. It is the bigger kind with the fly wheel. Even if you get the smaller pump, will you have a solid surface to pull a wagon over in all weather? 

Could you wall up part of the space under your porch to make a milking area so you wouldn't have to drag everything so far and to keep the milker a little warmer in the winter. Sometimes we blow a hairdryer on the pulsator to get it up to speed on really cold days even in our barn.

May 10, 2011
2:14 pm
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I will have her dried up in the worst part of winter, so I won't be milking her then.  We'll be breeding her in June for a spring baby.

 

I could get a little cart over there, if I had one!  I might not even need to take her in the milk stand.  We have another big feed barrel where I feed her sometimes and I could milk her right by the gate.  I saw them use a milking machine on her at the farm where we got her.  It took like two minutes!  She's docile enough to stand for that long, even not in a stand, if she's got some feed.  I've hand-milked her out of the stand before (when I was milking her in the goat yard).

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May 10, 2011
4:55 pm
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I decided against trying to refurbish the borrowed one myself–after looking into the whole expense of the various parts to get it up to speed (all the inflations, gasket, etc, are dry, not used in a long time, so I'd have to replace virtually everything, and there is no hose to begin with, and I'd have to get the straps etc) not to mention the vac pump issue.  All I'd be left with are the teat cups and the bucket……

 

http://www.portablemilkers.com/catalog/item/1576325/7795072.htm

 

I just ordered the portable one!!!!  The guy said that one was better suited to Jerseys.  (It's the same as the previous one I linked except something about the teat cups.)

 

I am so ready to have a milking machine. happy-feet

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May 10, 2011
7:30 pm
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Awesome!  You will so LOVE it!  It is such a time saver.  Can it be adapted to goats?

May 10, 2011
7:39 pm
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Yes!  He told me it could be used on goats.  I assume it would need goat-size teat cups etc???  I don't know anything about milking machines.

 

How do you clean yours?  I'd love to hear from everyone who has milking machines about their routines, what kind of carts you have to move everything, how you clean, etc.  Anything!

 

I have to carry my milk upstairs, because our main floor is on the second story.  I'm thinking the milk and bucket together will be too heavy so I will have to transfer the milk downstairs before I bring it up.  There is a door on that side of the house so I could pull the little cart up to the door and go inside to transfer the milk to something lighter that I can carry upstairs.  I just can't imagine carrying 2 gallons of milk plus the weight of the bucket up the stairs…..  I think I will have to split that up transferring into lighter-weight containers.

 

BUT.  I don't care.  I don't care what kind of time or effort cleaning it is.  It takes me 30 minutes to milk BP and even then I can't milk her out, not now that she's had a calf.  I used to be able to milk her out back when I first got her and she was who knows how long out from having a calf and only giving 1 1/2 gallons a day.  Now, I just can't.  I need this milking machine to keep her from getting mastitis.  Plus, I don't want to spend that much time twice a day milking.  I'd rather spend it in the kitchen washing out the hose and inflations than spend it with her swatting me for 30 minutes with her tail…….  LOVE the cow, but…..  She is killing me with her tail.

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May 10, 2011
8:11 pm
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I wonder if it would fit in a dishwasher?  bet the smaller parts would!  why not? have to think on that one.

Do you have a stationary tub by your clothes washer?  The deep sinks in the milking parlor were like deep double stationary tubs.  It's not so much of a scrubbing as rinse/washing immediately with a sanitizing soap… which you do NOT want to wash down your septic system BTW.  Yeah, yet another thing to worry about, but a hose running from the sink drain out the door will work.  (ask me how I know!)

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May 10, 2011
8:47 pm
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I have a wash tub downstairs, but it drains to the septic system.

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May 10, 2011
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Y pipe with a valve and a fitting on it and a hose out the door!  I bet it'd be easy to do especially with PVC fittings like we have in our stationary tub.  may look a little funky, but do you really care?

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May 11, 2011
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What is it about washing out the milker that can't go to the septic tank?

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May 11, 2011
7:09 am
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The "sanitizing" solution will kill/decrease the bacteria in your septic system that "eats" the solid waste.  Using bleach in your laundry will slowly do this too.  You should add "Rid-X" to your septic system every so often.

 

Do you know about Rid-X?  It is a powdered that you flush down your toilet and it adds the "good" bacteria back into the system.  Available at most grocery stores in the cleaning product aisle.

I am excited for you to get the portable milker!  Whoo-hoo!

 

Have a nice day, Cuz!

moo

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