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1:46 pm July 24, 2010
| Pete
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These don't seem to have the eye/beak coordination thing completely worked out yet. Or maybe they each have an astigmatism…
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Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!
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1:11 pm August 9, 2010
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I gathered up the eggs this morning and one was the size of my palm, the length of it! OUCH that must have hurt! is this normal to lay such a large egg?
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3:40 pm August 9, 2010
| BuckeyeGirl
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on occasion yes. Pretty normal especially if they're young before they get their 'egg parts' organized. I get an occasional XX-large one every now and then. I have one hen who always lays long skinny eggs that are pointy on both ends, and one who seems to often lay very round ones that are on the small side. Neither would make it in a commercial set up. 
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If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a
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3:53 pm August 9, 2010
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Thanks Buckeye girl!, Its funny the two Easter Eggers we have, one lay's a tiny egg and the other a large egg, but this egg was from one of the other hens, and it was big, I can't wait to use it to see if its double yolked!
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4:14 pm August 9, 2010
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Yep, sometimes I have a huge egg, (double yolk) that I think..OMG that must have hurt LOL and sometimes an egg so tiny that there isn't even a yolk in there.
But chickens do fine.
I love the mismatched, different sized eggs..that is a farm egg to me.
Although I don't like it to see them picking in a frog…or if I find parts of a mouse.
that is a little to farmy to my taste….I mean I know they eat free range..but can't stop thinking… please ladies..a little more discrete
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7:48 pm August 9, 2010
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I know what you mean Flatlander, I let mine out to and just don't look! I do love all the different shapes and sizes and color's of the eggs, they are my girls and I love it when they get so excited to see me, and they are so nosy about everything, I can barely walk with out tripping over one of the hens.
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10:06 am August 10, 2010
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Hi! I'm glad to see others have the tiny-to-behemoth size egg situation. I've found tiny pee-pee eggs that a hummingbird might admire and the next day a monster that an ostrich wouldn't be ashamed of. Have any of you had eggs without shells? I've found them a couple of times. Interesting since they get calcium put out near their feed.
I must admit, I spoil my girls. They get Craisins, raisins, lettuce, cabbage, apples, etc. I can't help it. I go out there and they gather around expectantly awaiting their treats. I'm a sucker for a cute beak! So I give them something different everyday and when the coop door flies open in the morning, there's a mass stampede to the chicken yard to see that the treat is for today!
I'm really particular about what I give them to eat because I know it's by-product will show be in the eggs they lay. Well, they, unfortunately…are not! I go out and find them drinking out of a dirty water puddle a rainstorm made in their yard. "Hey girls, there's clean water in your waterer!?!" Or I see them munching on fat worms or bugs or slugs or picking in their poo. I try not to think about it when I eat the eggs. But regardless of what they've eaten, the eggs are delicious. Even if……
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10:38 am August 10, 2010
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Hi NorthCountryGirl,
I have egg's with out shell's, not to often but it does happen, the actual shell is like rubber with the yolk and sac inside, I have backed off on their treats to make sure they eat the layer pellets and oyster shell, I noticed that when I was feeding them alot of scraps they would fill up and not eat their pellets or oyster shell, so this has made a difference for me, I am not sure what other people do, I always thought it was lack of calcium that caused this, but I could be wrong. I also add a Tablespoon of organic apple cider vinegar to a gallon of water to help. This is suppose to help the hens absorb calcium better. Hope this helps!
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12:42 pm August 10, 2010
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Yes, shell-less eggs occasionally happen but not often, if you have one that is laying them a lot, a practical person might cull her. If feeding her doesn't bother you, then don't worry I suppose.
I put apple cider vinegar in my plastic waterers too, but NOT in the big galvanized one!!! The acid in the vinegar reacts with the galvanized metal and chemicals leach into the water and that's not good for the chickens, plus, it causes the waterer to degrade faster which is bad too.
Honestly my biggest reason for doing it is it keeps the slime down in the water. I'm not sure about the benefit to the chickens but our water tests out as borderline alkaline, so adding a little acid is a good thing for me IMO. I've been told by many that cider vinegar is so good for them, but I can't swear that it's true, nor can I find it in Storey's Guide, but I haven't looked super hard in other places. I'm quite sure it's not bad for them however as long as it's not overdone! 
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If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a
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2:57 pm August 10, 2010
| sparrowgrass
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Seems like I read long ago in a "Little House" book about an infestation of grasshoppers, and the hens ate so many that they began laying eggs without shells. (Or, this whole thing might be a fig newton of my imagination.)
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I just haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister.
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8:38 pm August 10, 2010
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Just wanted to let you know that my silkie hatched out one chick, a beautiful little black baby. He/She has really grown. I kept mother and child in the upper coop and out of the big chicken pen until he/she got big enough that he/she couldn't go thru the chicken wire of the pen. Everyone is getting along and roosting together at night. So cute. I really hope he/she is a she…no more roosters!
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4:55 pm August 11, 2010
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I agree with Buckeye Girl. The chickens must not have read the charts as to whose broody-prone and who isn't. I have an Orpington whose supposed to be but isn't. I have a light Brahma who is supposed to be but isn't. Then I have 4 black hens; two have large combs and 2 have smaller combs. I haven't gotten around to see whose who but both the blacks with smaller combs went broody at the same time. One succeeded in incubating six eggs to peeps while the other tried but lost interest after two days. I'm not sure if they are Australorps or what. Momma hen definitely has a place in the flock as she faithfully sat on that nest and only two times left for a few minutes to rest and drink. I fed and watered her several times a day right on the nest. She's my resident momma broody.
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5:40 pm September 6, 2010
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Question time! (Again…)
We have gotten 6 eggs in 4 days so far. 3 are from the same gal, and the other three may well be from 3 other girls, or maybe only 2. Don't know for sure. The only one I have caught laying gave us a pinkish egg both on the first and second day. None yesterday (that we found anyway) and 2 today, both in the nesting box. One of them is larger than any so far, and very pinkish, so I suspect it is from the same girl.
Anywho, to the question! 4 of the girls have very red combs and waddles. They have all been quite red for what seems like forever. However, 2 have almost no comb and waddle and the color seems to have faded significantly in the past few days. Keep telling myself that they appear lighter in contrast to the others who now are mostly fully mature, but I'm not buying that at all.
Do combs actually fade? These two girls have almost no comb at all. They are otherwise the same size as the other girls, just seem to have arrested development in the comb. Cause for any alarm at all?
Second question. With this onset of maturity, at least one of the girls has developed strange poop. Crazy volume and dark greenish/brown color. First time I saw it, thought it not to be from the chickens at all, that's how different it was. All are acting normally, or at least active and attentive.
It is fascinating to watch the changing interactions now that (at least some of) the girls are laying. The whole flock seems to be closer than ever, and sweeter than ever. 
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11:01 pm September 25, 2010
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I also have some questions about the Combs, some of mine are not as red as the other's not sure why and i have one hen that I thought was molting but she look's scrawny and you can feel her breast bone, she eat's well and drinks and is the smallest of the bunch, she is still laying, some of her feather's around the top of her head seem thin, I guess I will just have to keep an eye on her. I have started all the hen's on the Apple Cider Vinegar routine for this week and have been feeding them plain yogurt. I also found some strange looking poo, greenish and runny. They are really like my babies and I do worry about them, some people might find this strange. 
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11:44 pm September 25, 2010
| BuckeyeGirl
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Their comb color is in part a result of hormones and is also an indicator of their health. When they're young, the combs are quite pale, when they start to lay, they'll get more red, when they molt they'll go pale, and if they are getting ill or if they're wormy they'll get pale too.
As far as poo goes, we can go on for days about poo! What a topic! Chickens have a sort of cycle… they'll poo 10 or so times what we consider 'normal' (and it's very good to have a grasp of what 'normal'.) Then they'll make what is called a cecal poo. It's more, darker, and smellier than their normal droppings, but it's not quite runny, and it's normal.
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If tomatoes are a fruit, then isn’t ketchup technically a
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12:00 am September 26, 2010
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Thanks Buckeye Girl!!!!
Our feed store here has no idea about worming chickens and I thought maybe it would be a good idea to worm them this fall, just in case this is why the little hen look's so thin. Our chickens don't free range often due to the dog's and all the other critters that could possibily take off with them. They get occasional scraps, but for the most part layer rations, oyster shell and scratch, vegtable clippings that are safe for them. A couple of the other hen's seem to have a pale comb, so maybe I should worm them just in case. I was also having one hen lay a shellless egg, but that has stopped, I was not sure who was doing it. There is food in the little hen's crop and I see her eat, so I guess it could be worms. Would I see actual worms in the poo? if they had them? Thanks
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5:16 pm September 26, 2010
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WARNING LONG POST!!!
OK, not everyone will agree with me on this, they don’t like to worm their flock too often, and I understand that. Years ago, we never wormed our birds at all. We lost some to “failure to thrive” but I think that was really in a large part to a bad worm problem, and if only 1 bird is sick from a worm infestation, you can bet the others are also sick but not showing symptoms yet. If you see worms, either in the feces or the eggs, (yes, they can actually get into the egg if it's bad enough but that's pretty extreme) then you have a heavy infestation. You will rarely ever see worms in the droppings otherwise. Not even if they have a medium infestation.
DE and garlic or whatever is not going to ‘get rid’ of worms, though they may help as a preventative measure.
Some Chicken Experts (including poultry author Gail Demerow – i.e. Storeys Guide to Raising Chickens which I trust very much!) claim that if your birds are otherwise healthy they can tolerate a certain amount of worms and that it's better to keep a clean coop and yard and try to keep the worm population down naturally, than to subject the chickens to medication. It seems like the ecological approach of balancing pathogen and chicken so they can live in "harmony," but most people I know who keep chickens advise worming twice a year as a routine procedure.
For Wazine 17 (piperazine 17%) you use one ounce wazine per one gallon of water. Or two measuring Tablespoons of wazine per one gallon. Give that as their sole source of water for 24 hours. Then remove from the coop. Retreat in 14 days with wazine, or consider treating them with a more broad spectrum wormer like fenbendazole, levamisole, or ivermectin. (ivermectin is easiest to find here)
My personal feeling on worms does differ from that of Damerow. I feel that it's best to worm twice a year and decrease the possibility of illness in the flock. My first worming I use wazine and then during the necessary re-dose (you must always repeat piperazine worming) use the stronger wormer. Then I use the stronger wormer twice annually for those birds thereafter.
New birds in the flock go through the wazine then stronger regimine unless they're chicks. I worm chicks at five months with ivermectin and put them in rotation with the adults for twice yearly.
Parasites literally scar the digestive tract as they burrow into it and each scar in the digestive tract is one more place where nutrients can't absorb.
Also, worms decrease the immune system of birds, steal the nutrients, irritate the digestive tract, make the bird more susceptible to other digestive tract illnesses by stressing the good bacteria of the gut, increase incidences of coccidiosis (even in adults), and spread to healthy birds.
Many people don’t like to do this, they feel it’s too harsh or not ‘natural’… if you rotate your laying hens yearly, which some people do, butchering or selling the older hens and starting new one’s yearly, then your hens probably won’t get a bad enough infestation to show symptoms before you ‘recycle’ them.
I keep my hens longer though, so I aim for twice a year but in reality, it’s probably closer to three times over two years… yeah, I’m bad. Over time, your property will get worms, worm eggs and worm larvae built up in the soil no matter what you do, and if you have other animals, that’s even more true.
I totally believe in ecological balance, but in keeping a flock of chickens in the same coop, on the same land, for years and years, (38+ years in our case) makes it so it's not possible to be truly balanced anymore, and we don't have a way to move the coop or chicken area! If you wait till you see worms, you're waiting too long.
If that bothers you, and you have a vet who will test fecal samples for you without charging for a visit, you may be more comfortable with taking samples in to be tested to see how bad they’re affected. That way it's less invasive and lets you know when to treat.
(Wazine is relatively inexpensive, Ivermectin is rather expensive, but it goes a long way)
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11:01 pm September 26, 2010
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Hi BuckeyeGirl!
Thank YOU for the POST!!! I will be worming the chickens, I keep the hen's in a large wood shed, look's like a little house, and they have a pretty big pen to go outside in during the day, but they are locked up at night. I don't free range them often, but considering the fact that they are alway's exposed to their own poo, I think it would be best to worm them. Our hen's are a year to eight months old and we plan to keep them, not butcher them. They are not meat birds and were never raised for that purpose, although I am not against any of that, just love my girls and could not eat them. I would love to raise meat birds but we would have to build another coop and pen. Maybe down the road. I just want my girls to be happy and healthy and at this point like I said one does not look good, so maybe worming will help her, and the other hens too. Thank you for all of your wonderful information!!!! 
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11:16 pm September 26, 2010
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A weak one like that is all the more reason to start with the weaker Wazine and watch her… I do want to say that wormer is essentially poison. It's just a very specific one, but it can still be rough on a weak hen. I agree with you that it may be your best bet, but it's still worth keeping in mind that it can be rough on them.
There's a product called Nutri-drench (for poultry) that may be useful as a sort of tonic. It's not very expensive and it may give her an extra boost between doses. Just a thought. Last I knew Tractor Supply carried it. I can't swear it's effective, but it may be worth having on hand if you can manage it… just a thought.
Edit to add// Also, if there's any question, I really suggest you at least talk to a vet about this. I know mine do well with this, but if you have questions, do talk to your own vet. I don't take chickens to the vet, I don't have that kind of money, but mine'll discuss this sort of thing willingly.
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2:08 am September 27, 2010
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Hi BuckeyeGirl,
I will go to the feed store tomorrow and see what they have for worming, we do have a Tractor Supply Store about 35 miles away if the feed store does not have what I need to worm the chickens. About a year ago I asked the Feed Store about worming chickens and they looked at me like I was CRAZY?, but since then they have had other people want information on it, so I really hope I can get everything I need from them. I will also ask about Nutri-drench and get that as well, it sure can't hurt at this point. The scrawny little hen is still very active, eating, drinking and loves to try and trip me! The vet's in our area really want to see the animal, or bird in this case. I cannot afford a chicken to visit the vet, with four dogs and two cats it does get costly, it seems like when ever I bring the pet's there I cannot get out the door with out spending $250.00 dollars, that was the last time OUCH!!! The Nutri-drench sounds great and I think after worming or in between it will be good for the girls. Thanks Again
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