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Continue with chickens or just give up to the pit bulls?
July 21, 2012
11:57 am
FarmGrammy
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Being rural, all kinds of strange things can happen. Right after dh passed away, his dog disappeared, and I had no outside guard dog anymore.  The dog was a bird dog, but he thought he was a chicken and cat dog, and did a good job letting other dogs know to stay away. He would lie and watch the chickens and never offer to hurt one.  

I thought I could free range the 10 or 12 banties and 8 pigeons that remained after I sold off most of the flock.  One morning, all was well and I let them out as usual.  I heard nothing in the house, but when next I went out in late afternoon, white roller pigeon bodies were strewn all over the run.  They could have flown out. Really dumb birds. Only two remained, hiding in the rafter part above the limbs that were the roosts.  Roosts partly knocked down. It was a bloody mess. 

Most of banties were the same.  Banties could also have escaped through an 8 inch square 'door' into the next pen. I don't know why the ones who were outside did not fly up into the trees.  Only five remained, 2 young hens and 3 babies.  It just about broke my heart.  I cried and picked up dead birds, and dug a hole to bury them.  For weeks after that, little clumps of feathers would float around when I mowed around the chicken pen.

The dogs keep coming back.  There are 3 to 5 of them, about 9 months old,thin, mostly white.  I keep a stick of some kind handy when I go out.  They think it is a gun. Being pits, they could easily attack me as well. I don't know if they belong to anyone. I don't dare let the remaining birds out at all.

So, I had to be gone all day last Tuesday.  When I came home, the door to the run was forced open and now I have one pigeon and 2 six month old banty hens. The fence on the other side was pushed in and almost pulled out of the ground where it was buried.

I hate to kill them, but I used to be a good shot back when dh and I did target practice.   

So, do you think I can legally shotgun these vicious dogs?  I am miles outside of the city limits and they don't pick up stray dogs out here.

July 21, 2012
12:50 pm
Ross
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Shoot them, bury them and keep your mouth shut about it. That is the standard method of handling maurading dogs. Buy some shells loaded with number 2  or BB shot. That will be adequate to kill and not just wound.

July 21, 2012
1:27 pm
CD
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I agree with Ross.  Protect your livestock.

July 21, 2012
1:35 pm
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This pack is probably a litter of same age dogs that are well on their way to going feral. They haven't yet learned to work as a team and be very dangerous. Breed has nothing to do with the potential danger. They aren't afraid of people and as a pack they could bring down a cow in a year or two. If they get enough food they will reproduce and the pack will grow.

July 21, 2012
5:53 pm
princessvanessa
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If they keep coming back for your livestock they could just as easily come after you next.  I concur with Ross…shoot, bury, keep quiet.  End of problem.

My prince charming took a wrong turn, got lost, and is too stubborn to ask for directions.
July 21, 2012
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I don't know what the laws are where you live, but here in Ohio, any dog who is harassing livestock is fair game and can legally be shot, I wouldn't advertise that though.  While not all pits are going to go feral, when they are not well kept and do start to kill things, it's not a good thing.  I'm not going to say what you should do though.  Some places, if you report things like this to the Sheriff they'll handle it for you, not everywhere though.

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July 21, 2012
9:50 pm
Ross
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Breed doesn't much matter size does. I have lived where there were wild dog packs that would chase down and kill for sport and for food domestic livestock and wild deer. It was not only legal to kill them but also encouraged.

July 22, 2012
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I kinda have the same problem here, my Jack Russell got lured into an ambush last week and killed.

I'm down to 7 laying hens, from 40 and my 2 ornamental HUGE turkeys are gone now too.

I keep my new 60 laying hens in the coop, now here it are not wild dogs, but coyotes/foxes and or a cougar (although I don't think it is the last one, a neighbors dog came home with 4 deep scratch marks on his face..a cougar or a bear?)

The problem here is mainly that I;m the only one with livestock, so they come to our farm.

Most neighbors have cats and dogs, that's it..and 6 miles down the road there is a cattle farmer.

So our yard is the local take out I guess.

Now I can't really see the coyotes or foxes to really get a shot at them..it is like a cartoon..so there is a chicken..and so poofff gone..just a few feathers remain.

If I could..I would shoot them and clean them up, but since we can't because I never see them..I contacted the RM, they offered me poison and to put out bate and kill them that way.

Mean?? yes…and the change is there that I might kill a barncat or a few magpies (that is not to bad though ;-) ) but I have to do something, after they killed the dog..the war is on here.

 

You might want to call the RM? or contact the police and ask about shooting them…they might do it for you?

Here they are a real help, they know I'm getting desperate…good luck..I know how you must feel.

July 22, 2012
9:17 am
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Consider a motion detector and flood light with an alarm in the house if they are coming in at night. If you can illuminate them you could get a shot . they would soon learn that when the lights come on it  is followed by a gun shot.

July 22, 2012
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I have had the same problem with neighborhood dogs. I talked many times to all of my neighbors and finally came to the point I just can't let them free range. I hate it! Your situation is different because there is no known owner where I saw where the people were letting their dogs out. They just didn't care until I told them I would shoot if I saw the dog in my yard again. It's ironic that this post came up today. I had not seen a dig until this morning. And she was one of the worst offenders. She didn't bother the chickens or anything so I let her go on her way. I hope they don't just start letting her out again. I really don't want to shoot a family pet.

"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living.  The world owes you nothing.  It was here first."  ~Mark Twain
July 22, 2012
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Thank you for the replies. I am sorry for all your losses as well.  Animals may be livestock, but we get attached to them.  It is so depressing to keep dealing with death. 

So, I hate it, but I will buy a shotgun and plan on killing what is in my sights.  You all are right, it can't go on.  The family across the street up the hill raises horses and these dogs could easily take down a foal when the babies are born.  There are miniature donkeys in another field, and so on.  My street is more like a city street for about one block across from me, but those folks have poodles and little yappy dogs that I am sure they want to keep safe.

Shoot, bury, and keep my mouth shut.   Now I have to figure out what to purchase. 

July 22, 2012
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Ross
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A 12 gauge pump would be my first choice. A 20 gauge will have less recoil force. A single shot will be the least costly.

July 23, 2012
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Before you buy anything. Check in to the laws there, ours are strict. If I am to shoot an animal it has to be on my property, drop on my property and only one shot. Anything else and I will be cited for crulity to animals. I don't think you would have a problem, but I would check the laws first. You can call the animal control they will know. But then they are going to tell to to spray it with a water hose too…that's what they told me.

"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living.  The world owes you nothing.  It was here first."  ~Mark Twain
July 23, 2012
4:39 pm
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40 yards, 120 feet is the limit of the dependable kills for a shotgun . Measure it out. With heavy shot you might stretch it to 55 yards. Aim for the shoulder and neck.

July 23, 2012
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Definitely agree with the posts posted.  It aggravates me that people just drop off dogs instead of caring or finding the proper care for animals. no  I know it's not the breed as I have a Pit Bull and she's an excellent dog for our farm.  I've used her to "herd" chickens!  

I hope the dogs are taken care of quickly so your flock can increase.

July 25, 2012
8:38 pm
FarmGrammy
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Again, thanks for the advice.  In looking online, I put in searches like "guns for women," and so on.  GREAT and interesting forums going on out there!..  I guess farmers are very close to survivalists in many ways.  My two little banties look so lonely out there.

The men posters all recommended that women go pick out their own guns for a good fit, and don't take hand me downs.  So, my 6' tall brothers who have offered me shotguns probably would not give me guns that I could use because of my petite arm length and where the butt of the gun rests on the shoulder.  A youth gun would fit me.  Learn something new everyday. 

On handguns, the posters recommend several guns with less recoil.  And they do recommend going to a reputable pawn shop and actually handling what you are going to buy.   So, I am looking for a youth sized 410 or 12 to 16 gauge shotgun right now.  As long as I don't shoot directly across the street into one of my three neighbors, I can go any other direction without hitting a person for about 600 feet.  I might hit a tree on the bank of an old overgrown lake behind me.

Y'all give me strength.   My AC is out again, outside unit this time.  I will be in a mood tomorrow to shop for guns for sure.  machine-gun

July 25, 2012
10:49 pm
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Try to avoid a 16  ga. The shells are sometimes hard to find. All shotguns shoot pellets at the same force but the larger the bore the more pellets in a charge. When you buy shells tell them what your target will be.

July 27, 2012
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FarmGrammy
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Thank you, Ross.  I think my AC unit ate my gun money yesterday.  May have to wait until next month to go gun shopping.  It's always something.

July 29, 2012
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So sorry to hear about your chickens.  My husband and I purchase a scare crow that is hook to water hose and it is motion censored, it shoots water out and also makes a ticking sound.  We bought it for the garden and it has over 4000 great reviews.  Maybe that is something to consider until you can afford a shot gun.  They should be put down so they won't hurt you or any one else.  Too bad where you live no help out there for you on this. Best of luck to you.  get more chicks when the dogs are gone.

July 29, 2012
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There may be someone in your circle of friends that can and will shoot for you. I was down at my mother's place years ago and she came out with her .410 shotgun and handed it to me and asked me to shoot a dog in the yard as it had been seen with one of her chickens. I dropped it where it was standing and dragged the carcase down to the gulley..

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