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Rare Chickens
December 1, 2011
1:50 pm
chickenherd
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Hi everyone,

I've recently decided to switch my laying flock over to a flock of rare birds to breed and sell.  I was originally planning on doing Silver Spangled Hamburgs, but as the time comes to place the order with the hatchery, I'm getting nervous and remembering mistakes I've made in the past because I jumped in with both feet before researching a whole lot.  I KNOW you all have opinions, so please let me know – would Silver Spangled Hamburgs be a good choice to breed and sell (are they rare enough, is there anything I need to know about them specifically) or is there another breed you'd recommend, and why?  I DO want to get a rare enough breed that there will be a market for them.  Thank you so much!  chicken

December 1, 2011
7:09 pm
Miss Judy
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It depends on what people are wanting them for. Usually a rare breed is bought for it's looks. Sometimes a "backyard" chicken owner wants a unique bird in appearance and a good layer.

 

If my chart is correct a Hamburg lays a smallish white egg with a production rate of slightly below average.

If you're wanting  your hens to sit the eggs Hamburgs may not be your choice…they seldom go broody.

The Silver Spangled Hamburgs are a beautiful bird and supposed to be winter hardy.

Do you have the Henderson Chicken Breed chart? It is a good reference and you can do comparisons of breeds.

Buckeye Girl is one of our best "Chicken Smart" people here at CitR. Maybe she would know.

Good Luck!chicken

December 1, 2011
8:32 pm
chickenherd
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Thanks for the suggestion; I'll look up the Henderson chicken breed chart.  No, I don't need the hens to sit on the eggs; I'm planning to get an incubator.  Maybe I'll browse online for fancy breeds. 

December 1, 2011
9:40 pm
CATRAY44
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You might want to look around on http://www.backyardchickens.co……php?id=16 .  I am not sure the hatcheries really breed the true heritage birds.  You might find a breed and breeder on backyardchickens.com (and a wealth of help and information there, as well.)

December 1, 2011
11:56 pm
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Silver Spangled Hamburgs really are pretty birds, and they are rare, and gotten more so lately from what I've seen.  It's a breed I'd consider getting some of if I didn't already have Buckeye roosters and while I might get various breeds of hens, I'll not get any other roosters so I can keep track of which of mine are pure breds.

I'm no kind of expert on which breeds are truly endangered or rare and that sort of thing though, Henderson's chicken chart is a very useful thing but may be out of date too. 

It's true that hatchery birds are not usually very well bred, but that doesn't actually make them bad.  Chicken breeds aren't actually bred the same way as we're used to dogs or horses or such.  Their bloodlines aren't kept track of, there's no registration or anything like that.  If you can get hatchery birds and then keep working on refining their traits and making sure that they are up to the standards for their breed, and they breed true you can sell them with a clear conscience.

The measure for all the breeds is "The American Poultry Association Standard of Perfection"  and it will have all the requirements for all (or mostly all) the various breeds, though if you search for the breed association of whatever breed you decide you wish to raise,  they usually publish the standards for just their breed. 

Do you plan on selling them at distances where you'd have to mail them?  Mailing eggs for others to hatch themselves is by all reports less trouble than day old chicks, less paperwork and such too, but there's a lot to do as far as regulations for sending either live chicks or eggs for hatching in the mail, more for some states than others, and in some states, you can't mail them at all.

Located in N.E. Ohio
December 2, 2011
9:03 am
chickenherd
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Wow, everyone brought up a lot of things for me to consider…I'm not sure whether I'd want/need to mail chicks or eggs.  I think maybe I'll start on a small scale at first.  It would be a fun and profitable experience to refine the traits of my flock!  I'll find a standard of perfection for the Hamburgs.  Thanks for the help! 

December 2, 2011
10:05 am
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I just want to correct something I said earlier, I just went snooping back at the Henderson Chicken Chart http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jh…..hooks.html on an info page and it's been updated by the owner as recently as Sept of this year.  Now, that doesn't mean that it's 100% accurate, but it does show that he's still involved.  

It's one of my favorite resources and I go to it as a starting point quite often.  It's got links to other breed information on it which of course lead to more links etc etc so I'm super happy to hear that it's a living thing still!

For way more chicken info than most anyone could possibly keep up with, check here too!

http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jh…..links.html

I have some Buckeyes that I got from a breeder as opposed to hatchery birds.  I have to say that when compared to hatchery Buckeyes mine are (in my opinion of course) much nicer… but it was quite an investment when I first got them.  Both in time and money really, the breeder had some problems with his incubators and I wound up getting them a year after I originally ordered them!  It can be a commitment if that's what you choose to do, though hopefully a rewarding one.

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December 2, 2011
8:55 pm
chickenherd
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Okay, thanks so much for the links!  I have to admit that I'm a total chicken-geek, therefore I love to browse chicken sites filled with information.  Just so, you know, when I get together with other chicken geeks, I can present new information.  happy-flower

December 4, 2011
3:32 pm
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I am into the rare and endangered breeds too. If you are on BYC my username is The Sheriff. I currently have Icelandic chickens, Cream Legbars, and Blue Isbars, the latter two being recent imports by Greenfire Farms (www.greenfirefarms.com) into the US. 

If you plan to get something to sell I think you need to first think about your market. To whom do you plan to sell them? If you are selling to locals you might want to look around and see what others have. Most locals are interested in good layers, chickens suited to their particular climate, and dual purpose birds. Locals will laugh at your Craigslist ads, thinking you are out of your mind asking those prices if you are selling expensive birds. If you want to sell to locals get the best stock of a particular breed you like and think will go over in your area. The heritage breeds are very popular right now and buyers like the idea of preserving them. Here is a great link to help you chose a heritage breed at the American Livestock Conservancy: http://www.albc-usa.org/herita…..index.html  You can find out what breeds are endangered and where to get them.  I have sold lots of chickens and chicks and people love to know they are helping preserve a heritage breed. If you are rural and have 4H kids in your community offering a reduced price to them is also a great way to get started. This Spring I provided Many local 4H'ers birds their parents would have never been able to get for them. 

 

If you are planning to buy and raise a rare breed to sell hatching eggs and chicks that is a whole different ball game. That is a decision that needs to be made carefully after lots of research. Many of the options are very costly and if you are not one of the first sellers out of the gate, you may have missed the opportunity. Some of these birds are fads and, once the newness passes, nobody wants them. I have seen birds such as the Light Sussex and Coronation Sussex that were selling 18 months ago for hundreds of dollars for hatching eggs, go without a single bid when offered at $5.99 now. Go to the auction section of http://www.backyardchickens.com and see what is selling. For the really rare breeds go to Rare Breed Auctions at http://www.rarebreedauctions.com/Poultry,category,1866,parent_id,categories to see what is selling there. I was one of those who fell for the Light Sussex fad but was luckily one of the first to re-sell mine while they were still in demand. The buyers of rare breeds will be the ones buying when the breed is first offered. What I decided to do was to pick breeds that would appeal to those buyers but that would continue to sell, albeit at a lower price, after that. I chose my Blue Isbars because I felt that a blue chicken will always be popular. They are the only single combed chicken that lays a green egg. They lay a beautiful moss green egg that is sometimes speckled. I chose the Cream Legbars because they lay sky blue eggs and are autosexing, meaning they will always hatch chicks that can be sexed at hatch, unlike sex links that can only be sexed at hatch for that mating. Autosexing has obvious benefits for the backyard chicken enthusiast as well as the homesteader.

Rare breed bantams appeal to some people but I don't think they are as popular as large fowl. I often see beautiful bantam eggs not getting any bids. 

This is my third year raising chickens and it took me this long before I decided where I wanted to go with it. My main breed and first love will always be my Icelandics but I plan to have some fun breeding and selling my Legbars and Isbars as well. Good luck with your decision. If you haven't been on BYC it is a great place to learn and ask questions. There are forum threads for almost every breed of chicken where you can ask questions and get answers from knowledgeable people.

Mary

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December 4, 2011
5:41 pm
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Lots of very interesting information nursemary!  Thank you for adding it. There's always so much to think about when choosing a breed. 

As you say if thinking about trying to turn it into a business proposition, you really need to evaluate the market you will be selling to.  If you're getting chickens simply for your own enjoyment, choose the breed that interests you.

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December 4, 2011
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We have an assortment of layers from 5 years ago mail ordered.  I ordered two of each breed and had a terrible shipment with cold weather on the way.  I ordered two silver spangled hamburgs and only one lived.  To this day she is the sassiest off all our hens.  She is beautiful, fiesty and a great flyer.   I can not imagine a whole flock of her type, what a hoot that would be all those sassy girls together! Wish we had more of her type so she won't be such a loner.

December 7, 2011
10:09 am
chickenherd
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Thank you so much for the information!  I never would have found those websites on my own.  I'll definitely think more carefully about breeding rare birds now, and if I do decide to do that, about what breed to get.  I do like my Hamburgs but even if I don't 'do' Hamburgs, I'll be keeping a small pet flock and my favorites can stay.  happy-flower

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