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What made you decide....?
September 21, 2011
6:49 pm
Suzanne McMinn
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What made you decide to start actively pursuing a more self-sustainable lifestyle?  Whether you are doing it on a farm, small acreage, the suburbs, or a city apartment.  (Don't just say my website!)

 

Note:  Your answer may end up in something I'm working on.  Depending on context, it might be a quote, paraphrase, bullet list, who knows, not me at the moment, so your answer might not be directly attributed to you by name depending on the context.

Clover made me do it.
September 21, 2011
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Well, for us it is a necessity in the winter when the electricity stays off for days or even weeks at a time.  We must have ready to eat stuff around, and lots of choices about how to do things.

We also remain homebound due to weather conditions a lot all year around.  Neither of us is young any more, and we simply don't drive the roads any more than is absolutely necessary even on good days.

Plus we like wholesome foods.  Our "self-sufficiency" is sort of limited, but we have wonderful neighbors who do things for us that we no longer can do, and we furnish them with eggs, canned goods and other things while they work full time.

Now that I can make soap, they will get more of that as well!

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!
September 21, 2011
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I spent over 20 years in the military and ate whatever was fast and easy, though I did cook some from scratch whenever I was able, since that’s how I grew up.  When I retired and returned to the home I grew up in because my father’s health was deteriorating, I realized that the chicken coop needed chickens again… ok, it needed rebuilt and then needed chickens.  It felt so odd not having a bunch of hens nattering around the yard!

We live out in the country, but not on a farm.  If I had more level ground I might try to clear a garden plot again, but I know who I can trust for my veggies and in some cases can trade some fresh eggs too.  (though the hens seem to be on strike lately!)

What with Pop’s need for a better diet, low sugar, whole grains, low sodium and a somewhat reduced fat menu, or at least healthier fats, I started cooking from scratch almost exclusively again, which is how I grew up eating and cooking.  Of course, that led to canning and freezing more so I could pronounce all the ingredients in our diet… I still don’t garden much so I guess I’m not as self-sustaining as I could be, but there’re some great farm stands and farmer’s markets around here and it’s good to support them too. 

Also, I have more time than money, and spending money on doctors doesn’t make sense either, so it’s healthier eating, and saving pennies for us.

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September 21, 2011
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When we moved to the farm we are currently on over 7 years ago, the place was beautiful to start with. So I started adding flowers and landscaping to further enhance the beauty of it. Then I ran out of room for flowers. Over the years we have improved the place and started to make use of the things available to us for free. We found we liked using antique machinery to cut and bale small square bales of hay for the chickens and animals. Then we discovered wild berries all over the place. And planted four large gardens. And fruit trees. Things just kinda naturally progressed. We have recently purchased an antique corn sheller. The kids go out in the fields after the combines have harvested and pick up the corn left on the ground. We shell it for the chickens. It's amazing how much free stuff there is around here! Anyway, when I do things the old- fashioned way (sorta), I feel so good and have such a wonderful sense of accomplishment and peace.

September 21, 2011
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I have always had a dream to live like my Granny did on a farm.  In 1999 we moved to Grass Valley and were able to purchase this house with almost two acres, I really wanted my kids to experience a small town and it was a dream come true!  we have wild blackberries, an apple tree, a peach tree, and chickens.  I have always wanted to be more self-sustainable and living here has provided that for us.  We have dreams of planting more fruit trees and more raised garden beds.  The freedom to buy milk from a farm, make butter, like my granny did! I always loved her childhood stories about the farm and now I feel a bit closer to it.  Its amazing what you can do with a little tiny bit of land, even if you don't have a lot of money. yes

September 21, 2011
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There is real satisfaction in being able to say, "I made that myself." I started to say it was out of necessity as we live in a place where lots of things aren't available. But that isn't it because you could surely live your life without cheese or homemade bread, etc. Not that any of us would want to! The necessity part, for me, is that I want to eat healthy, teach my son about healthy, "real" living and I need something to satisfy my creative spirit. I'm not satisfied just doing or learning one thing. I always want to try "something else." I've been making bread for years; it seemed like cheese couldn't be that much more difficult. Next, I'll start canning, maybe dehydrating. We're learning how to garden.

I grew up in the suburbs with lots of people/things around to entertain me. I know live in remote, darkest Africa. Learning about and practicing sustainable living keeps me engaged, stimulated and interested. It's a mental, physical and emotional exercise that keeps me challenged. I never dreamed I would enjoy it so much.

I (sorta) have a farm in Africa.
September 22, 2011
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Tradition.  As a child all the family would gather at my grandparent's house and "do" whatever happened to be in season at the time.  They had several acres at their place with a huge garden, berries, fruit trees etc.  They also lived in the middle of orchard country so drops were always available.  The men and children would harvest and prep the food, the woman would preserve it.  Everyone was expected to help.  Even though we were working hard it was a lot of fun.  I have wonderful memories of spending time shelling lima beans while swinging on the porch swing at my Grammy's house.  Sneaking into the kitchen and grabbing a hot ear of corn to eat before one of the aunt's would tell us to scat.  Good times.

As a young married woman, I continued the tradition because I enjoyed the preserving aspect and the food and because I had never eaten store bought basics.  While my mom was still alive we would preserve together.  A big pot of soup would be frozen for later meals.  Jams, jellies, fruits, pickles, applesauce and all forms of tomatoes would fill jars and fill shelves for winter use.  The memories of my childhood also filled those shelves.  After my mom passed, I tried to continue preserving.  Unfortunately, my spouse at the time, did not approve and made it very difficult for me to continue.  I still managed to can the basics, applesauce and tomatoes.

Necessity.  When my spouse left, I had no job and no money.  My children and I relied on what was in the pantry.  I planted a garden and the kids and I put up all that we could.  My kids grumbled and complained while husking corn or snapping beans but there was also lots of laughter as well.  They never complained when opening a jar of jam or pickles.  That pantry was essential while we were on our own for over 10 years.

Tradition continues.  Five years ago I remarried to someone eager and willing to learn and help preserve what was growing in our garden.  He expanded the garden and I expanded my skills.  I started pressure canning and that opened a huge new world of sustainablility.  I started dehydrating more than just my usual apples, onions and peppers.  I may even try watermelon!  I am now teaching my step-daughters how to can and dehydate.  The one has a 7 month old and we make all of his food.  I guess I'm passing on the tradition to a new generation now. 

September 22, 2011
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I live in an apartment in the Nation's Capitol.  Self-sustainability is my goal, and it came from the increasing politicalization of food and food policies of government and big commercial agriculture.  

I am a professional chef, and it still brings me joy to cook and create at home.  So, I have begun growing my own food in containers on balconies.  Sourcing organic farm eggs through church ladies.  Sourcing raw milk through dairy farmer friends.  Seeking out organic grains for flour at one of our local Farmer's Markets.  

My daughter is a vegetarian, I eat Atkins.  And we share in the joy and responsibility of eating ethically. 

I'm known far and wide as the woman who scrounges.  Give me your wild grapes from your backyard, and I will return grape jelly to you.  Share with me your basil plant, and pesto comes back at you.  If you have honey, I will trade bread for a jar.  My co-workers laugh at me, but they also bring me produce from their parents' gardens.  And they all LOVE to eat whatever I bring to them. 

And my daughter, a BioMed science student in university works hard at making us greener.  And she is searching for a way to make her degrees work for ethics and morality…to do good, not evil with her education.

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September 22, 2011
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I admire and encourage all of you to keep doing what you are doing!  shimmy

 But…what if you didn't have electric, gas, running water, (whether city water or a well), dishwashers, clothes washers – even dehydrators?  I keep my pantry stocked with store bought food, because I don't do all of the stuff you all do, but I always have in the back of my mind, WHAT IF THE WORLD REALLY, LIKE, BLOWS UP, KINDA ???  I guess I'm getting into really hard time situations here, but do we all know how to actually live off the land without some kind of modern convenience? 

It's hard, darn hard.  I know I wouldn't be prepared, but would do what I had to.warrior

 

I hope I made sense, I just look at self sustainability as doing without ALL of the modern conveniences.  (And believe me, I LOVE all of the modern conveniences!) heart

September 22, 2011
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Mine started when I was a child and in 4-H.  I think I do something every day I learned from 4-H!  Since both my parents were only children, and the Grands lived across the country, there wasn't a lot of family or traditions or "excitement" unless it was a 4-H club meeting, and I was learning "FLYSS" will make bread (Flour, Liquid, Yeast, Sugar and Salt.) or how to garden, sew, water bath can, knit, run a meeting according to Robert's Rules of Order, cook, care for animals, etc. 

Then, when I was newly married, money was TIGHT.  I was able to apply some of my learning to keeping good food on the table, or sewing a new outfit, or how to do simple veterinary care on a sick animal.  People often commented on how they were impressed I could "make something wonderful out of nothing" and it almost became a challenge to make do, reuse, create homemade, and over all, still keep it above store quality, but at a much cheaper cost.  I was able to be an original, but still keep up with the "Jone's"… Farmer Jones anyway!

Then, with all the modern conviniences… most of all the internet, I was able to learn more, and branch out.  I discovered rendering lard, making soap, making magical mozzerella and ways to improve on the skills I already had. 

Now I think I do it because it has been a part of my life for so many years, that I can't imagine doing it any other way… and store bought isn't the quality I want to pay money for when I could do it better and or cheaper myself. 

September 22, 2011
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   Such a great question,  Suzanne…

   I want to make what goes into my family  meaningful.  I want the history behind the food.  And I want a relationship with the work that goes into our daily lives.   The memory of  that 100 degree day and canning 40 quarts of tomatos.  NOW I understand why they had summer OUTDOOR kitchens !    I still see the water just running down those walls…and I had a sachet tied around my nose with a bandanna because i was just a little pregnant with number 3 and queasy from any tomato anything…

…or the juice running down your arms while you are peeling the peaches after they've been dipped.  The magic of unwrapping  the leaves around that big cauliflower head I got to beFore the bugs did,  or the fragrance of our growing basil and mint when you just brushed it in passing …the heavenly sprays of lavender hanging in my pantry.  I just want to know the secrets of living closer to what we can grow,  and forming the connections with other people who think like I do…

  The feeling I got when I made cheese for the first time, and was able to reproduce it at home… or the bread rose  just like it was sposed to.   (  w/o my overhandling it !)   

  I started out doing alot of things like this…and over the years,  suburban living,  working more than part time and soccer games and yearbook meetings and alot of willy nilly fiddling to make friends for the kids  kind of sucked my do-it  myself drive from me …  I kept stressing to find jobs  that would use my college education,  and make money for us…and I realized I'm sposed to be available for the kids triumphs,  and embarassing fall downs  and a listening board,  and I can do this at home with them. And make bread and paint  and…

  I so admire the people who can make sense of their environment,  joyfully create ,  and share with me. ( aprons, and dried watermelon,  and watching soap 'taffy'…)     On the retreat I was  saturated with how much people knew and were trying  out and it was working for them  (  roasting green coffee,  dehydrating and saving it in oxygen free jars … grinding wheat,  soap,  and spinning,  and plucking chickens…)   …It's a matter of pushing thru the barriers of meaningless white noise and making your lifes work  mean something…

   And,  y'know?  i wake up in the morning with great ideas  for my time…and that is a great blessing…there are never enough hours in a day…

laur

 

September 23, 2011
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I do not know if I can put into words what started me onto the road of self-sustainable living, but I will try.  This way of life has become a passion of the heart for me.  It is more than necessity or tradition, it is both and more, combined with the satisfaction of learning to rely on what I am able to provide for myself, family and friends.

As more and more unhealthy products are introduced into our foods, the more I feel that it is necessary to go back to the way things use to be done, such as canning and preserving nature's bountiful harvest.  To take the best of our modern world and then combine it with the best from our past. 

Just the thought of eating foods that have been sprayed/treated with systemic pesticides, or eating meat from animals that have been injected with who knows what just makes me shudder.  If pesticides are so powerful that it can kill garden pests in seconds, my question is thus, what will long term consumption of these treated foods do to us?  Is it any wonder why our immune systems are failing?  These types of pesticides cannot be washed or wiped away.  It is in the food itself, and we consume these products. So, with these thoughts, I have started to rely on natural ways of growing fruits and vegetables that are heathly and flavorful.  To prepare meat from cattle that have been raised without hormone injections to make them fatter for the market.  To can and preserve foods naturally. So again, it is more than necessity or tradition, it is both and more.  It has also become my passion, my goal or challenge to improve my lifestyle and to provide the best I can for my family.

September 23, 2011
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We've always dreamed of a country life, but thought it more of being out of the hustle and bustle of life versus a more self-sustaining life.  Then we noticed one dd's mood swings way before we thought she should be having them and the other dd's lack of weight gain and issues with store bought milk.  Extended family started to have major health problems and we lost my sister-in-law and mother-in-law within a year of each other.  A friend started educating me about how our store bought food is grown, processed, and shipped.  I started to dig more and more.  Though in the midst of a metropolitan life we started to go to the farmer's market for eggs, milk, meat, and produce.  We started to bake some of our own bread and started to change some eating out habits.  Within two months of starting raw milk, our youngest dd jumped two sizes and has had no more milk issues unless given pasteurized store milk for two servings.  Two servings!  That's all it takes for her to be in pain. 

Anyway, to sum it all up, health concerns are what started us on this road to self-sustaining.  Now the children and I are on the farm while dh finishes out his military career.  We have chickens and cows.  We have a creek that dh has talked about how he could get energy from. lol  He also talks of solar panels and wind turbines.  We have lived without electricity for a week and survived. laugh Surprisingly it wasn't as bad as I had imagined it would be.  We missed running water the most.  Now we have a generator that we can turn on for showers and to keep the freezers cold.  That generator makes us feel as if we have everything we could ever want. sun2

My biggest surprise has been how satisfying it is.  When I came to the realization that we had to make changes in our food sources, I knew that most of the work would fall upon me.  Whether it was to find where to get what we needed as we've moved from place to place or now where I'm the one milking the cow, I've been surprised that it is satisfying rather than drudgery.  I can now understand the saying, "work is good for the soul".

September 23, 2011
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Preparedness was the first thing that came to mind a couple of years ago.  So, I built up my pantry and forced myself to not be scared to try canning (found your website that way).  After really doing some research, I realized how unhealthy food was that you buy in the grocery store.  So I started canning and growing our own food.  I buy everything in bulk (pasta, spices, rice, beans, etc) and long term storage it or food saver it in useable portions.   I dehydrate excess vegetables/fruit from the garden.   I buy eggs locally and I know they are happy chickens ( visit them regularly).  I also buy her chickens to roast and they are the cadillac of chickens.  I buy meat locally and know how it was grown and what it was fed.  Then I started realizing how easy it is to make your own items.  Soap, cheese, favorite box food from scratch.  Bread, I've got a good sourdough starter, pizza dough with homemade sauce and cheese.  Roasting coffee beans…easy!

 

Now, I see the flyers from the grocrery store ads and the  food shown there grosses me out.  Especially, because I have picked those items up and seen the sticker that says "grown in Mexico".  My stuff tastes best and is better for you.  I am in the process of making a year's worth of soap to have on hand and curing. I am going to make my own cheese.  You know what, I went to Costco last weekend and bought cheddar, pepper jack, cheddar jack sliced cheese, grated mozzerella, parmesan and I left there absolutely mad!!!  Why should I buy that icky crap when I can make it myself (in the process, just impatient).  I want to be fully prepared to be able to live comfortably if "something" happens.

 

Problem:  I work a full time job and commute an hour each way.  That's 10 hours out of my life every week that I could be doing something else.  Eventually, that is going to factor into my decisions on how far I'm going to take this. 

 

And, I am just so dang proud when I see my final product!  I grew up in the big city where "why would you make a loaf of bread when you can just buy one".  HAHAHAHAHHAH!!!! Surprise mom! I'm going to bring a sourdough sponge over to her the next time we visit and make sourdough english muffins.  She can answer that question then.

Suzanne, Dede & CindyP made me do it...HAHAHAHA!
September 23, 2011
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I think Sonia said it well, and that's mostly why I do all the things I do.  I work full time and have a 35 min commute each way, so I am pressed for time.  I have always loved to can and make jellies, (love the memories of Mama and me), but my sisters never learned or have any desire to learn.  My sons think its a lot of work, when you can just go to the store, but they 'share' the bounty with their friends, and I enjoy giving jars of goodness to friends.  I only have a small garden, so I buy a lot of produce and fruits, but I go to the wholesalers at our state farmers market and get good prices.  I am not able to keep up with animals, but buy eggs and meat from local farmers when I can.  I just think its healther to eat what you know is good rather than getting everything from the grocery or fast food places.

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September 23, 2011
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I hate to interrupt, but I thought of another reason(s) I'm not sorry to buy produce locally instead of trying to manage a large garden myself. 

When I see the prices in the grocery store for veggies and meat and eggs, I'd rather pay the same high price and know that it's going straight to the farmer so he gets the cash directly. 

Like others have said, I know how they're grown or raised, because I can ask the farmer!

I'm blessed to live where I can buy directly from farmers too because I know how little the small farmer makes on their product.  The middle man pays pennies for a gallon of milk and the grocery store charges $5, the farmer who raises meat on a small scale, on grass or even carefully managed grain without antibiotics and hormones works like a dog and reaps satisfaction but still not what he should $$ wise via a middleman.  I want to get it directly as much as possible.

Again, sorry to interrupt, because I'm loving this whole thread!  Thank you for asking the question Suzanne, it's wonderful hearing all the voices of our friends!

I now return you to the regularly scheduled thread! smile

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September 23, 2011
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This is how we lived when I was growing up. Mother stayed home and provided for us as best she could with what Dad was able to earn. Of course we had a pig and chickens and a cow or six and of course we planted a garden and canning was what we did. So when I had my own place I embraced the notion of what you don't spend you don't have to earn.  Being frugal is just good home economics. Sew the buttons back on if they come loose, rewire a lamp with a frayed cord, make stock and soup from every scrap of the holiday meats including the bones.

I teach myself new skills as I find opportunity. I invest in the tools and equipment that allows me to make foods that are usually bought from the grocer. To do otherwise is simply wasteful. I don't see any romance in a frugal life style and don't look for any.

I believe that if you have a lifestyle that pleases you and the means to sustain it then you are completely successful and the dollar value of you income is of no consequence.

September 23, 2011
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I have thought about this question for awhile now.  I know that I am not to the place that some of you are and that is fine.  I still have to buy a lot of things at the store.  Although I will probably change some of that in the future.  I have just returned from my weekly grocery shopping trip.  A lot of the items that I looked at and thought about buying  I didn't because the thought "I can do this better/cheaper/etc" kept running through my head.  See, you all are having and effect on me.happy-flower

Growing up we had a garden and wore clothes made by mom.  We learned to sew/cook and etc. through mom's teaching, school and Girl Scouts.  After I was married and money was tight I kept cooking, cleaning and making most of our clothes.  When the kids got into high school I went back to work and slacked off a lot.  Now that both my husband and I are retired and the need to watch the finances better I am back to doing the cooking/sewing etc again.  Plus I want to teach my granddaughters that there are alternatives to the chicken nuggets from a package. 

Some of things that are being discussed here are things that my daughter practiccs and has gotten me thinking and doing.

Health issues also are a consideration.  Hubby is diabetic and there are other health issues in the family

September 23, 2011
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When hubby decided to retire, we left our university jobs and set out to find our perfect retirement locale.  Our idea was to find a nice private place in the country and have hours and hours to stroll idyllically through the woods.  We made lists of property requirements so that we could logically evaluate property.  We had a 5-year plan for buying. One day we came back to Roane County to visit with family and checked in with one of the local realtors. There was a 67 acre parcel with a hand-built 7-sided house that caught our eye.  With verbal directions from the realtor, we made our way across the river ford and drove up a 3/4-mile-long, single-track dirt driveway, had a enlightening visit with the owner and proceeded to chuck our carefully crafted list of property requirements out the window.  The property was ours by the end of the weekend and our 5-year plan had just become a 6-month plan.

 

Our new dream home had a home-made electrical system, an outhouse with french doors and full length window, no pressurized water and wood heat.  We discovered that the river and creek crossings that flowed so placidly in July became torrents after it rained and froze nearly solid in winter.  The road going in the other direction travels IN the creek in many places and for the last two miles, the road is very steep and curvy.  Not fun in ice and snow. Thus we were plunged, somewhat out of necessity, into developing a more self sufficient lifestyle.  We found we enjoyed this new life that was very much centered around the 4 seasons.  We learned many skills related to preserving, storing food, and keeping warm.  Also we discovered that outhouses don't clean themselves and that the quick trip to the store to get that last minute item was not happening if it snowed (or rained much for that matter).

 

As our interests grew we decided we needed more space.  We purchased a nearby farm and completely rebuilt a delapidated farmhouse with our own two hands. We had NO prior building experience.  We re-wired, re-plumbed framed and roofed the entire house plus added new living space.  We built all our kitchen and bath cabinets and planed local lumber for our floors.  It took us nearly 5 years before we could move in.   We planted an orchard, cultivated a larger garden and canned, dehydrated and froze our produce.  We built animal housing and learned to keep chickens and dairy goats.  I learned to skin a deer and put up venison.

 

Our journey is not one I'm sure I could ever knowingly repeat but I would not trade the past 15 years for anything.  I don't tell you all of this to brag but to inspire you that one can do more than they ever imagine.  We had few skills when we started but we had a deep desire to do everything ourselves.  Although a farmstead is NEVER finished we are able to relax a bit now and enjoy that stroll though the woods, this time WITHOUT a chainsaw.

September 23, 2011
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Well, I guess after reading everyone's posts, I realize that I sorta went about it backwards…..we like living "out" which means about a 2 hour drive to a city with shopping.  First, I don't care for shopping and I do it as seldom as possible!  Second, I'm not thrilled at being in the truck that long……So, we stock up, make what I can at home, get eggs and meats locally, when possible.  I am at the mercy of my friends with greener thumbs than me, though!   All I manage is turkey and rabbit food! 

 

I think Pete said it, too.  We are sometimes "in" for weeks, due to weather.  So, we need to have what we need.

Though, I must give all of you my admiration for all your efforts. 

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